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The Empowering Neurologist – David Perlmutter, MD, and Dr. Terry Wahls

Today’s program features an interview with my good friend, Dr. Terry Wahls. Dr. Wahls is a clinical professor of medicine at the University of Iowa and a staff physician at the Iowa City Veterans Affairs Hospital, where she teaches medical students and resident physicians, sees patients in traumatic brain injury and therapeutic lifestyle clinics (who often present with complex chronic health problems that include multiple autoimmune disorders), and conducts clinical trials.

She is also a patient with a chronic progressive neurological disorder, secondary progressive multiple sclerosis, which confined her to a tilt-recline wheelchair for four years. But through her nonstop efforts to learn about the underlying biochemical events that characterize this and so many other neurodegenerative conditions, Dr. Wahls restored her health and now pedals her bike five miles to work each day.

Dr. Wahls has written several books, and today we will be discussing her latest work, The Wahls Protocol. This book summarizes her use of intensive nutrition to recover from her secondary progressive multiple sclerosis.

She shows how to eat for health, and the actions we need to take to ensure our mitochondria and brain cells have all the building blocks necessary to truly thrive.

Pay close attention as there is so much empowering information in today’s program!

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  • Lynn Dell

    So glad to hear about the Wellness Center, and that these ideas are becoming more mainstream!

    • David Perlmutter

      Dr. Wahls is doing some incredibly important work!

  • SammyJo Wilkinson

    I’ve been on the Wahls Protocol ketogenic diet for 2 years, and recovering from Secondary progressive MS! In a wheelchair for 5 years, but in 2016 I’ve been able to use the walker up to 100 feet. That’s an improvement on the disability scale from 8.0 to 7.5. Great program.thanks for interviewing her!

    • David Perlmutter

      Incredible improvements SammyJo. Keep it up!

  • Marc Pomerantz

    Is the Wahls diet indicated for Parkinsons?

    • Tiffypoo

      I have MS and Ulcerative Colitis. I had my colon removed as a kid and have a permanent ileostomy bag. I have bad depression too. Also my mom had Fronttotemporal dementia due to the C9ORF72 genetic issue. I am sure my gut bacteria is really out of balance and am wondering where to begin and what you suggest as far as my Ostomy. Can I use probiotics if I don’t have a colon? And at what point would it be safe to go off my meds for MS and depression?

  • Julie Royster

    For diseases that DO have a mitochondrial dysfunction problem but are NOT autoimmune disorders or allergic disorders, is there any reason to avoid dairy and legumes? Is it the huge nutrient benefit of al the veggies that helps the mitochondria? Or do we know? Does it act through the microbiota? Thanks, Julie Royster

    • Esan

      Avoid CORN, WHEAT, SOY, EGGS, DAIRY that is not ORGANIC!!! the missing peice is Pollution! Round up (GLYPHOSATE) ATTACKS THE MITOCHONDRIA. See Peixoto et al study. Wheat is bad for some people because of Gluten, but not the whole world. Wheat is toxic because of Glyphosate that damages the gut lining since the 1990’s. The Mitochondria becomes altered as well as gut flora, immune system and the endocrine system. Dramatic increase in the amount if food since 2000’s

  • beatrice nordberg

    I read Dr. Walls”s book and was thrilled to hear this interview, Thanks Dr. Perlmutter

    • David Perlmutter

      How did you find the book?

      • beatrice nordberg

        I have several autoimmune diseases and was therefor interested in her book. It is very professional, gives an excellent definition of autoimmune diseases and simply reinforced my beliefe in what you, Dr. Perlmutter have advocated. I believe in compressed morbidity and will stick to that regiment.

  • forpeople

    The folks I know who have tried this protocol have not done all that well with MS and ended up dropping it after a couple of years. These folks had better luck having a nutrition rich whole plant food diet with a small amount of fish and flaxseed oil, vitamin D3, and vitamin B12.

  • Esan

    Mitochondrial dysfunction is seen in many patients with abnormal Toxicology Blood and Urine testing. (round up and pesticide exposure) Do not give Big Ag more money to continue poisoning our country!!!

  • Gabrielle Heard

    That was a great interview with lots of information underlining all I am learning. Thank you

    • David Perlmutter

      Thanks for watching Gabby!

  • Lisa Allen

    Thank you- I read the book when I thought I had MS and was being treated for MS for 4 months..I would not accept I had it so I went to the Mellen Center for MS at The Cleveland Clinic. They said I DO not have it. At this point they cannot figure it out. I gave up. I am on a huge waiting list for the Functional Medicine group there. In the meantime this reminds me to re-read her book and try to help myself. It is hard but hearing things like how she helped herself I truly know it will happen eventually ! Something is wrong but I know it is in my gut. I have read your book Grain Brain and am currently reading Brain Maker! Thanks for all of your important work! Lisa Allen

  • Yvonne Forsman

    What Dr Wahls has accomplished is amazing! I read her book. Thank you for an interesting interview.

    • David Perlmutter

      She’s truly an inspirational figure in the space.

  • Jennifer Berg Cpdt-ka

    Have either of these doctors explored the role in wireless microwave radiation (from Wifi, cell tower, cordless phones, etc.) in these neurological diseases? There is a lot of research to support this as an added stressor if not a chief cause. Here is just one example: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/15368378.2015.1107839

  • Marina Stepensky

    This is great! My question is this: do you recommend finding a functional/holistic doctor to run different lab tests to see where the problem is? Or just the diet is enough?
    Thank you

  • Marina

    This is great news! Do you still recommend to go see a functional doctor to take all the test and see what’s wrong or the diet is enough?

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