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Keep Yourself in Ketosis

When talking about a Grain Brain lifestyle, and the very similar ketogenic diet, it’s frequently mentioned that we are aiming to keep our bodies in ketosis. However, if you’re new to my work, it may be that you’re not exactly sure what ketosis is, or why we should be worrying about getting our body into this state. Allow me to explain.

Ketones are a special type of fat that can stimulate the pathways that enhance the growth of new neural networks in the brain. A ketogenic diet is one that is high in fats, and this diet has been a tool of researchers for years, used notably in a 2005 study on Parkinson’s patients finding an improvement in symptoms after just 28 days. The improvements were on par with those made possible via medication and brain surgery. Other research has shown the ketogenic diet to be remarkably effective in treating some forms of epilepsy, and even brain tumors.

Ketones do more than just that though. They increase glutathione, a powerful, brain-protective antioxidant. Ketones facilitate the production of mitochondria, one of the most important actors in the coordinated production that is the human body. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

Our bodies are said to enter ketosis at the point when blood sugar levels are low and liver glycogen are no longer available to produce glucose as a fuel for cellular energy production. At this point, not only is the body doing the natural thing, and burning off fat, it’s also powering up the brain with a super efficient fuel.

We can jump start ourselves into ketosis with a brief fast, allowing our body to quickly burn through the carbs that are in our system, and turn to fat for fuel.

A ketogenic diet is one that derives around 80% or more of of its calories from fat, and the rest from carbs and proteins. Please refer to our focus section on ketosis for much more information about this very important topic.

  • Roseann

    The “good” that ketones do astonished me: we have long been told that ketosis is is an abnormal and unhealthy body state. I have a neurological disease – progressive CIDP – which is both painful and debilitating when untreated. I have ordered “Grain Brain” (and the forthcoming “Wahls Protocol”). The information put forward by both Drs Perlmutter and Wahls could not be more timely for me: my health insurance plan has set a two-year limit on the very expensive medicine used to treat my progressive CIDP. There is now some hope to heal myself before the IV medicine stops. Thank you Dr. Perlmutter!!!

    • nomoregrain

      That is amazing Roseann! Please keep us posted on your progress. I don’t have any thing like that but if I did I would go full force into the no grain ketogenic way of eating. Well I do it anyway now but I cheat occasionally but would not if I had any kind of issues. Keep doing it!!

    • mikemarkham

      Any update on the condition?

  • Amy Gottholm

    What if you suffer from depression? Will nearly eliminating carbs deprive your brain of producing adequate serotonin? I have tried low carbing in the past and felt awful. I have suffered depression for years and currently have it under control by taking sertraline 100 mg/day and fish oil 1,000 mg/day. Also, coconut oil makes me extremely queasy. Any advice?

    • Kristine

      Have you read the book “The Magnesium Miracle”? Magnesium is a very good supplement to take to help with depression, as most of us are deficient.

      • nomoregrain

        AMEN Kristine! 1000mg at bed time. Start w 500 and work your way up (warning: can cause a good clean out in the morning and cramping when first starting the regime).

        • dcohn

          I was told the best Magnesium is to spray it on your body and let it absorb through your skin. But it seems so difficult to get enough. You would have to cover yourself in it. Confusing.

          • John Brailsford

            I spray my stomach every morning and massage in for about 10 minutes. Spray enough so you can massage it in easily but not so much that if starts running down to your legs. It gets absorbed most quickly if the climate is dry, as in Winter. Taking a hot shower first also opens up the pores which helps absorbtion. Full strength (31%) it can sting a bit so I mix 2:1 with MSM

          • Christal Lavery

            I use a liquid you rub on and let it absorb works a treat

          • Missle11

            I found this amazing way to put your body in ketosis in one hour and it’s provable scientifically with ketone strips. Please let me know what you think.

            http://ketonemissle.pruvitnow.com .

            mguzman81@gmail.com

          • Missle11

            I found this amazing way to put your body in ketosis in one hour and it’s provable scientifically with ketone strips. Please let me know what you think.

            http://ketonemissle.pruvitnow.com

            mguzman81@gmail.com

          • dcohn

            Why is this being allowed in here? This is a marketing email and should be blocked as SPAM.

          • David Perlmutter

            My team received all of these this morning, and is handling the issue now. Thanks for sticking with us!

          • dcohn

            WELL THANK YOU so much. It gives my soul some hope coming here. I got chills just now. I have a hard time knowing that our governments are not looking out for us and creating strife everywhere yet most people simply say they don’t want to know etc.

            Here is a place where real cures to the insanity exist and it is so UPLIFTING.

            God bless everyone one of you for trying something not from the STANDARD OPERATING MANUAL.

            Be an individual as you all clearly are. I so much respect the Doctor and all of the posters here. A place where people are aware and awake and willing to see that there is another way.

            GOD Bless Dr Permutter and all his associates. It does not matter that he earns a living doing this at least he is telling the TRUTH. That makes it worth every cent plus this help is FREE!!!!

      • Ariadna Setentaytres

        Interestingly, magnesium gave me the worst and most aggressive mood I was ever in. I am a very pacific and happy person, but that one time that I tried magnesium for a few days, all I wanted to do was yelling at everyone, and -if I were a boy- I would have been giving knuckle sandwiches left to right. It went away when I stopped the magnesium, and never came back. I have not had the nerve to try it again after that experience.

        • LeslieD

          Speaking both as a massage therapist w/physiological training, also one who has tinkered w/my own nutrition … getting bloodwork is an excellent basis for personalizing your nutrition. Sodium & potassium are complementary elements, and so are calcium and magnesium. On the periodic chart, they are “opposites.” So the disparate results a mineral provides different people can spring from the patient’s levels of the complementary mineral. Someone with normal mag but low calcium may be apt to experience detriment from add’l mag. If you have avg-to-surplus calcium (and there is so much calcium supp in foods now), you may experience improvement using add’l mag, because you’re improving the balance. Same for sodium/potassium. I use a lot of salt and find I must take extra potassium and mag to eliminate restless leg, back spasms and muscle fasiculation. And it’s more important if exercising strenuously (these 4 are key electrolytes.) Have a nutritionist or naturopath take bloodwork for you.

        • Egghead Einstein

          WOW, that is shocking, I am an anxious person and when it gets so bad I can no longer take it I remember the magnesium and it calms me down big time. I discovered the effects when I first got tinnitus, after trying a million things the magnesium was the first absolute improvement and reduction in sound.

        • Missle11

          I found this amazing way to put your body in ketosis in one hour and it’s provable scientifically with ketone strips. Please let me know what you think.

          http://ketonemissle.pruvitnow.com

          mguzman81@gmail.com

          .

    • Jennifer Ochoa

      Going on a ketogenic diet cleared up my depression. While it may not work for everyone, it did for me. I had depression pretty much my whole life and now I know the solution. I started a ketogenic diet to lose weight but found that I could “manage” life better than ever. It was a surprise and then I started reading that other people had similar results. “Keto” got me through two very rough semesters of grad school when I would have probably broken down otherwise. I’ve gone off and on it for the last year and when I’m off, the depression starts creeping back.

      • Amy Gottholm

        Thank you for sharing, Jennifer! That gives me great hope! I haven’t started a keto diet yet but now I’m not afraid to do so.

        • Tamar LiCalzi

          I have been on a key diet for almost a year. Needed to. Keto type duet meaning I get about 60 plus grand of carbs per day from green veggies. It has helped. I am getting ready to transition to under 30 grams of carbs per day. Fasting nay help jump start you as well. I has to fast for 5 days just yo jump start healing my gut. Depression also comes from gut dysbiosis. Make sure you take a good probiotic.

          • christina

            Hi…I want to know what foods you ate during your fast

          • real fast = not eating anything and only consuming water.

          • mikemarkham

            Not true. A fast can be anything from 0 food and 0 liquid to some food and plenty of water.

          • Egghead Einstein

            Yes, the amphetamine binge diet, it is just sooo easy to stick to!

        • nomoregrain

          http://www.drgundry.com is a great source like Grain Brain. Dr G says work yourself up to 1000mg of magnesium at bedtime. Best antidepressant drug ever! Strong I know but his words not mine. And OF COUSE grain, sugar,carb free eating. And I believe Dr. P says 2000DHA per day for different brain issues. I have had some depression in my life but since doing this for the last 4 years I am a happy camper! Whoo Hooo! You couldn’t get me down if you tried! I breeze thru things that would normally get me down. But all the above is needed for sure.

          • Jennifer Dean

            What kind of Magnesium are you using?

      • Deborah

        Jennifer, I’m curious, because I have had depression my whole life too: when you began the low carb diet did you get headaches? I’ve been miserable for the last 2 weeks since I started this diet!

        • Jennifer Ochoa

          That’s what people call “keto flu.” I didn’t experience it, but its common for others. If you search the web for “keto flu” there are tips and info on it. AFAIK it clears up within a week or two.

        • Dr. Walsh says there are 5 kinds of depression and you can read his notes about treatments here. http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/walsh.htm#D

          • All type of depressions as well as 75 other diseases are associated with low levels of a compound called Glutathione. Ketonic diets helps to elevate Glutathione in the cell and throughout the body. That is possibly the reason of all the benefits of Ketonic diets. Elevated Glutathione levels will enable the body to return to homeostasis and equilibrium, body function restore to normal, PH levels are maintain at 7.4 toxins can be removed and fat is not longer needed for protection.
            RiboCein is the most powerful glutathione accelerator.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Not true at all the brain is primarily fueled by carbs , it’s deadly to have a low carb diet.

          • Hi Bill,
            when you say “not true” what do you refer to? Are you saying that RiboCein is not the most powerful Glutathione accelerator? Do you know what RiboCein is?
            Thanks

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Ronen , it’s nut’s to espouse low carb , and no I have no clue to what it is , but it’s not important , all that is important is the basics which all of you have forgotten or completely dismissed, the body’s main source of fuel is[ complex carbs] , not protein or fat , this is a scientific fact!!! , and the brain is primarily fueled by” carbs” , so how can a low carb be beneficial towards depression , it makes no sense. Ketogenic is terrible, it means the blood Ph is acidic which you do not want , the American diet is high protein , fat and look at the results [ heart attacks, cancer, gout etc], it’s a fact that most cancer shows an acidic Ph . Again your trying to get all complicated but your passing up the basics , Einstein said keep it simple . This reminds me of 1 Cor 8 : 1 Niv bible .

          • Karen Edscorn Board

            Johns Hopkins, Mayo, and many other major medical centers have been promoting the Ketogenic Diet for decades for children (and adults) who suffer from epilepsy. It’s actually more effective than any med on the market for seizures. My 11 year old son has been on the Ketogenic Diet (under medical supervision) for 4 1/2 years, and has been seizure free for 3 1/2 years. Prior to that, he was having multiple seizures a day, with no help from the dozen or so meds that were prescribed for him. The brain (and the rest of the body) can get fuel from either glucose (carbs) or ketones (from fat). Cancer cells prefer glucose. The brain does better on ketones The Ketogenic diet is now being used as a treatment for cancer and a number of other neurological illnesses.

          • Karen Edscorn Board

            Also, being in a state of ketosis does not mean that the blood ph is acidic. I believe you must be thinking of the unhealthy state of ketoacidosis that some diabetics have. Just being in ketosis is not unhealthy, and usually only causes acidity in the blood if the ketones are too high. My son has labs drawn every 3 months for his electrolytes, etc. His bicarb levels (acidity) have been 24 the last 2 times — not in the least bit acidic. The ketogenic diet either eliminates or significantly reduces grains and sugar (which are highly acidifying), and the Johns Hopkins protocol calls for “moderate” protein, which is far less than most people eat.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Karen , what you said is not true at all , the brain is primarily fueled by carbs not fat , this is a scientific fact of basic nutrition . You do not want to be in a state of ketosis , this means or leads to an acidic blood Ph, which is the opposite of what you want , which is alkaline .You must eat carbs with protein to keep from going into an acidic state and a host of health problems like gout , arthritis, etc, this also is a fact , go online see for yourself .Look at the American diet it’s[ high protein, fat] pork , red meat , lunch meats etc , not whole grains which are a complex carb which science and the bible back s up Zech 9 : 17 Niv bible , the body’s main source of fuel is complex carbs not fat or protein . How can all of you overlook or completely dismiss basic nutrition , it’s hard to believe, there is no truth out there today as was predicted by one of Gods great men about 4000yrs ago Isa 59 : 15 Niv bible .The worst thing for depression is to eliminate carbs since again, the brain is fueled by this nutrient , common sense or reasoning will tell you that. Again look at the American diet , it’s high fat [ red meat, pork, lunch meats] ,not whole grains , fruit/ veg, and what are the results?, heart attacks , cancer , diabetes . No, without the truth 11 Thess 2 : 10 Niv bible , you and your son ‘s health will greatly suffer over time if you stay on a ketogenic diet , it’s terrible the opposite of what you want .

          • Ketolover

            LOL.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            I couldn’t find your comment to me

          • Bill Pickersgill

            I’m couldn’t find your comment to me, my email is biblebill209@gmail.com

          • Karen Edscorn Board

            What I WANT for my son is seizure freedom — and that’s what the Ketogenic diet has given him. His health is much better now that his brain isn’t being damaged by the seizures and his body damaged by the meds. I don’t think you even understand the diet. My son eats far more veggies & fruit than his peers. He eats moderate protein — far less than his peers. The fats that he eats are healthy fats — like olive oil — which the Bible promotes! I don’t think you even read my comment, where I mentioned that my son has regular labs done, and he has no acidity in his blood at all. His cholesterol rates and triglycerides are perfect. His bicarb levels for the past 6 month have been 24 — very healthy. He was initiated on the diet at Johns Hopkins — do you really think the major hospitals around the country would be putting hundreds of babies and children on the diet each year if it were so unhealthy?? Tell me — you ever heard of a high-carb diet that cures epilepsy??

          • Karen Edscorn Board

            The ketogenic diet was developed in the 1920’s at Mayo Clinic as a treatment for epilepsy. It was highly effective, but then, as anti-epileptic drugs were developed, the diet fell out of use, as it is far easier to pop a pill than to follow a healthy eating plan. The problem, however, with the pills for seizures is that they cause horrible side effects — like liver damage, elevated homocysteine levels which leads to heart problems and high blood pressure, cognitive issues, speech issues, mental issues, and the list goes on and on. The long you’re on anti-epileptic drugs, the worse the effect on the body. And, for almost half the people with epilepsy, the meds don’t work. This was the case with our son. He suffered horrible seizures every day and the seizures and med side effects caused him to lose his ability to speak, he became incontinent, he was in chronic pain, he withdrew into himself. The diet stopped his seizures — he’s been seizure free for 2 1/2 years, and the very minimal side effects of the diet are far healthier than the dreadful meds he was on. He’s now med free and healthy.

          • Garrett Bishop

            Drop the mic Karen, beautiful rebuttals to insane arguments!!!

          • Missle11

            I found this amazing way to put your body in ketosis in one hour and it’s provable scientifically with ketone strips. Please let me know what you think.

            http://ketonemissle.pruvitnow.com

            mguzman81@gmail.com

            .

          • Di

            Hi karen, best wishes to you and your family. I think maybe what set ur particular online antagonist off in the first place was perhaps the use of a bible quote. Funny what sets some people off sometimes. Again, best of luck to you and yours. Peace.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            I wasn’t set of, just explaining facts, the body needs complex carbs , as does the brain go google it, check for yourself , low carb is very bad it may help seizures , but will cause other health problems like gout , arthritis , etc you must eat carbs with protein or you go into a ketogenic state which is no good , and will also cause kidney problems. Look into herbs for any health problem is the best way and or essential oils.

          • Rosie

            Bill…. carbs were doing me in…. faithfully using portion control, only eating whole grains, counting carbs to control my diabetes… DID NOT WORK…until I removed all cereal grains and most carbs (starches) except fruits and vegetables, I kept rising & rising on fasting & a1c. The biggest benefit is with the removal of grains, my triglycerides FINALLY went down. You do what you have to based on your beliefs. Mine are based on lab test results over 18 mos. Have never felt better and had a more clear mind (no more brain fog). Best wishes to you, but don’t tell these mothers with epileptic children that finally have received non-RX relief that they are wrong. There are too many proven results and you are confusing ketoacidosis with ketosis…not the same thing.
            Protein & fat is not the enemy…the upside down food pyramid is the cause of many of our dietary woes compounded over the last 20 years.

          • mary

            Bill, there are essential fats and essential proteins. There is no such thing as an essential carb!

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Mary , your kidding ?, right?, carbs, protein, and fat are the big” 3″ macro nutrients , again, how could eliminating one of them be beneficial, and the body is set up for carbs go check on the body’s main source of fuel , google it . I can’t believe the” total ignorance” about basic nutrition , that’s why everyone is so sick and unhealthy Hos 4 : 6 Niv bible . Perlmutter is a Dr. they learn nothing about nutrition in medical school , they see the light in a sense and start studying nutrition on their own just like you and me , and they get basic nutrition all screwed up.

          • Lorelle Hatcher

            No one I know of does as you suggest. No one I know of who understands metabolism and healthy dietary habits “eliminates” carbs from their diet. You have an opportunity to learn from these posts or you can stupidly continue to read them as reinforcing your incorrect assumptions and think them to mean something no one has said. Pay attention as this is important: Despite what you say above no one has suggested that anyone stop eating carbs and eliminate them entirely from their diet! Read it very plainly to say: Low carb does not equal NO carb. It’s almost impossible to eat a diet that has NO carbs in it and no one is suggesting that anyone try to do that. The children and adults who battle seizure disorders are probably on the most restrictive diets and even they do not totally eliminate carbs from their diet. I think maybe it was Will Rogers who said something like, “It’s not that the American people don’t know things; it’s that they know so many things that aren’t true.” Approach new learning with an open mind and you’ll find many things you were taught years ago aren’t true.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Lorelle, the whole argument every one against me is making is you want to greatly reduce or cut out carbs , read the posts , it’s a basic principle of nutrition that you must eat carbs with protein or you go into ketosis which you Do Not Want , contrary to what you all believe . The body’s main source of fuel is complex carbs go check it . What the Dr. is teaching is terrible , science says so . The points I make are FACTS , , how could one of the” 6″ essential nutrients [ carbs] be bad for you ?. No, ketosis and this sight is about greatly reducing carbs or eliminating them, what are you talking about ,? wake up .

          • Lorelle Hatcher

            Read my post above again. My only additional thought is that ketosis is NOT a harmful condition.

          • Lorelle Hatcher

            From Wikipedia: “ …[Vilhjalmur] Stefansson is also a figure of considerable interest in dietary circles, especially those with an interest in very low carbohydrate diet. Stefansson documented the fact that the Inuit diet consisted of about 90% meat and fish; Inuit would often go 6 to 9 months a year eating nothing but meat and fish—what was perceived to have been no carbohydrate diet. He found that he and his fellow explorers of European descent were also perfectly healthy on such a diet. While there was considerable skepticism when he reported these findings, they have been borne out in later studies and analyses. In multiple studies, it was shown that the Inuit diet was not a ketogenic diet and that roughly 15-20% of its calories are derived fro carbohydrates, largely from the gylcogen found in the raw meats. When medical authorities questioned him on his findings, he and a fellow explorer agreed to undertake a study under the auspices of the Journal of the American Medical Association to demonstrate that they could eat a 100% meat diet in a closely observed laboratory setting for the first several weeks, with paid observers for the rest of an entire year. Stefansson was compensated for his efforts by the American meat Institute. The results were published in the Journal, and K. Andersen had developed glycosuria during this time, which is normally associated with untreated diabetes. But unlike the pathology of diabetes, in this particular study, glucosuria was present in K. A. for 4 days and coincided with the giving of a 100 gm of glucose for a tolerance test and with the first 3 days of his pneumonia, where he received fluids and a diet rich in carbohydrate. …”

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Lorelle , your right about the inuit , they eat a high fat protein way , because they live in like” sub zero” temps it’s called an” exception to the rule ” that’s not you or me . I can’t believe u all think ketogenic is good , when it’s the opposite . Carbs are very important to one;’s health science says so .

          • John Brailsford

            Never mind whether it is the Inuit, the Masai or Abos in Australia. Giving them wheat flour produces obesity and illness. Plenty of facts to prove it. Se the research work from Dr Weston Price who has provided an abundance of evidence based information about 100 years ago.

          • nikki

            Can you all not see that Bill is just entertaining himself?
            I’m proud of most all of you that have not resorted to telling him what kind of fool he is being.

          • Lorelle Hatcher

            Look for the complete NIH study published Sept. 2014 ”
            Effects of Low-Carbohydrate and Low-Fat Diets: A Randomized Trial”

          • Grant Morris

            Yes, carbs is a fuel source for the body. Yes, carbs are one of the macro-nutrients the body needs. Carbs can be very important, however there are so many cases were a low carb diet can work not only for weight loss, but for cancer patients, those who are epileptic, etc. I think this subject goes actually a little deeper then just nutritional science alone, genetics play a massive role on what works better for you. Being balanced in our diets is a good start, and from there we can start to play around with what works better for us as individuals. We see that a higher carb diet is good for you, however that might not be the best option for the next guy. What I see is that we are fearfully and wonderfully made, and that whether one style of eating doesn’t work for you it’ll work for someone else. Stop pushing your high carb diet, unless you are giving it as an option for someone to try. Besides that, enough…

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Grant , carbs are” thee” source not just a source , and you just said they are” needed” by the body . So why would you say people can do without them .

            There are people who don’t need carbs or need a high fat, protein diet like the Eskimos, but their an exception to the rule because they live in extreme cold like 20 below year around that’s not you or me .

            It makes no sense to say you can go deeper than nutritional science, you do not want to go buy feelings of what you think is right or viewpoints when science tells us .

            As for weight loss on a low to no carb diet sure you can lose weight, but balance is all” 3″ macronutrients, commonsense .When you eliminate one that’s called a” FAD “diet , which you do not want to follow .

            As for cancer it’s the opposite all cancer shows an acidic blood Ph not alkaline , and when you eat protein without carbs it leads to the above which is called Ketosis ,. You must eat carbs with protein, again, a basic principle .

            And as for ketosis helping with certain health problems your right, like epilepsy , but it’s no way to go about it because , it may help epilepsy but at the same time it ruins other organs or systems of the body . There’s a saying the ” cure is worse than the disease “.this fits perfectly to the above case.

            There is a whole world you people have forgotten about or don’t know about ” HERBS” , are the way to go , not synthetic prescription drugs or crazy fad diets that eliminate macro – nutrients .

            Finally Dr’s. are terrible, their not God they will ruin you Mk 5 : 26[ Niv] bible , they misdiagnose about 80 % of the time a fact , stay away from them , what Perlmutter espouse is terrible, very wrong , he’s forgotten all about basic nutritional science , unbelievable .

          • Rosie

            Bill, you know nothing of Perlmutter, he has studied nutrition AND applied that study extensively……

          • dcohn

            God bless him and you

          • Alpavlow

            Karen,
            I would love to speak with you about your experience. This little tidbit here brought me to tears. I have had epilepsy since birth, and though it is somewhat controlled with medication, I am looking into this diet. I don’t WANT to take meds the rest of my life. I am not myself on them, and waking up everyday is a struggle of fear. Fear of having more seizures. Of course I will be speaking with my neurologist before I change anything, but I would love to hear from someone that has been there. I would much rather eat a strict diet than take opiates to control my seizures. It scares me that my brain is so messed up that taking an opiate makes it normal. Seriously!?? That’s messed up!!!

          • Alpavlow

            Please email me if interested. Alenapavlow@gmail

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Karen are you kidding about John Hopkins , doctors , God’s word has a lot to say about them Mk 5 : 26 Niv bible , I tell you the truth hospitals are Satan’s playground , as crazy as that sounds , they will ruin your son , there is herbs go study into it , herbs are the true way to help an organ function up to it’s capacity. And” Whole milk” is very important for the brain , as is fish , walnuts , , asparagus chamomile tea , remember whole foods have tremendous healing powers , and Hypocrites said “Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food .” Doctors are terrible they know nothing about nutrition and cause and effect , there is a reason God put that verse Mk 5 : 26 into the bible .I am healing my adrenal glands on my own doing just what I’m telling you , also I had a concussion that I’m working on myself of course by God showing me what to do , mainly it’s foods and herbs. But you cannot be on a ketogenic way it’s all wrong a classic example of what I’m saying about the medical profession , carbs fuel the brain , why or how could there be any benefit to low carb especially if you have brain seizures.? Again the American diet is Ketogenic [ high protein and fat [ red meat, pork, lunchmeats ] and look at the results , everyone’s health is terrible in this country Hos 4 : 6 Niv bible .If you need any help let me know .

          • Scott

            I wonder why you seem so insistent in staying “facts” but don’t care to do a little research to understand keyigenic diets a bit better. While it is true that the brain uses carbs as a primary source of energy, when carbs are not available, it switches to ketones, and after a few weeks, ketones can represent up to 70% of the fuel the brain needs. The remainder can come from carbs our protein through a process called gluconeigenesis.

            While I dont think fat should ever be 90% of a diet, I know from personal experience that ketogenic diets do provide more than enough fuel for the brain. At least after the first couple of weeks.

            Oh, and saying the health of Americans is a result of high protien and high fat is amusing. As it has been proven over and over that processed carbohydrates and the consumption of these year- round is the primary cause of diabetes, obesity, and now facts are even pointing to it as a major cause of heart disease.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Scott , The points I made are facts the body and the brains main source of fuel is complex carbs , you even admitted so, contrary to all that you hear today it’s unbelievable the nonsense false knowledge out there to the detriment of anyone who follows it Hos 4 : 6 Niv bible .And as for the American diet , your right diabetes is caused by refined carbs , loaded with sugar like candy, doughnuts, pop , pastries, etc that is why it’s called sugar diabetes , complex carbs do not cause diabetes whole grain breads the sugar is naturally occurring like simple carbs [ fruit] in an apple the sugar is naturally occurring the way God made it . But the American diet is the above and lot’s of fat [ red meat , pork , lunchmeats ] which is why heart attacks [ clogged arteries] is so common place.
            The above simple isn’t understood a piece of whole grain bread and the sugar that occurs naturally is not the same as pop , candy , doughnuts , that’s refined they have tons of table sugar in them.
            So what I stated is all true , I will warn you again you do not want to be on a Ketogenic diet it’s disasterous , I can’t believe based on science that people still believe this is good and so called experts tell you it’s desirable , it’s the opposite you want lots of complex carbs [ bread] fruit / veggies , whole dairy , fish and chicken , but no pork, the pig is an unclean animal, and very little red meat .
            Don’t believe much of what you hear today it’s mostly lies Isa 59 : 15[ Niv] bible as a great prophet of God predicted for our modern times about 4000yrs ago .

          • Samuel Scott

            Hey Bill, thought I’d drop in.

            I am a dietician for one of the bigger hospitals in the United States. I just wanted to point out your perspective is incorrect. A ketogenic diet is perfectly okay and is backed by factual scientific journals and studies as well as personal experience.

            You’re pseudoscientific and subjective opinion pale in insignificance to results and scientific facts.

            Quoting the bible doesn’t help your credibility either. I suppose you believe the Earth is a few thousand years old as well.

          • Samuel Scott

            Hey Bill, thought I’d drop in.

            I am a dietician for one of the bigger hospitals in the United States. I just wanted to point out your perspective is incorrect. A ketogenic diet is perfectly okay and is backed by factual scientific journals and studies as well as personal experience.

            Your pseudoscientific and subjective opinion pale in insignificance to results and scientific facts.

            Quoting the bible doesn’t help your credibility either. I suppose you believe the Earth is a few thousand years old as well.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Sam , My points are not pseudoscientific they are” facts” , the body’s main source of fuel is complex carbs, hello!, not protein or fat go check on it . And it’s interesting the bible backs up science Zech 9 : 17 Niv bible . As for being a dietician , no comment , and hospitals are terrible they ruin people every day they have no knowledge of health by eating right , alternative medicine etc , you will come out worse than you went in most of the time Mk 5 : 26 Niv bible . It’s nut’s to say or espouse , teach, Ketogenic is fine , that means the blood Ph is acidic not the much preferred alkaline , this is also a scientific fact . You can tell if your acidic, smell your breath, is it acidic ?. I tell you the truth you will ruin your health staying in a Ketogenic state for long periods , look at the American diet it’s not whole grains , fruit /vegs , but pork, red meat , lunch meats, etc all high protein and fat , and look at the results we are one of the most unhealthy country’s in the world. And one other point the brain is primarily fueled by carbs, not fat , or protein , this also a scientific fact , go check on it .

          • rbmindful

            You are on the wrong blog, Bill. This is medicine based on science, not faith. You make claims about “scientific fact”, yet you clearly do not understand the difference between ketoacidosis and ketosis. Ketoacidosis is a state of disease experienced primarily by Type I diabetics who are simultaneously experiencing extremely high levels of blood glucose and ketones. Ketosis is a natural state that even your body will begin to enter nightly when going without carbs for several hours. The brain and body will prefer carbs as an energy source when available, although there is nothing healthy about that when carbs are constantly available, as is generally the case in the modern diet. Evolution set us up to be able to put on fat quickly when carbs are available as a way to survive lean times. Simple carbs are tantamount to poison; and complex carbs, even from organic whole foods, can pile on the pounds and raise blood glucose. Insulin production is needed to lower the glucose created by the presence of either complex or simple, refined carbs. Constant insulin production over time leads to many serious health problems. If scientific fact is truly a concern of yours I would suggest reading Dr. Perlmutter’s books. You are commenting on his blog after all.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            rbmindful, the bible backs up science as I said and science backs up the bible. Grains [ bread] are complex carbs which the body is set up for a” scientific fact” and the bible concurs with it Zech 9 : 17 Niv bible . Simple carbs are fruit that has naturally occurring sugar and are very important also . People get diabetes from refined carbs pop , candy , doughnuts, not simple [ fruit] or complex [ grains] . Your mixing up refined for simple , refined burns out the pancreas to wear it can’t produce insulin anymore . It’s called” sugar diabetes “you get it from too much pop, candy , doughnuts, cake, the American diet along with too much red meat , pork etc , not fruit or whole grains .Ketosis means the blood Ph is acidic not alkaline you do not want an acidic ph it’s that simple .

          • dcohn

            Bill

            You are wrong. I have done this myself and know it works and much more important there are lots of people that ate low fat diets that get heart attacks. It has been proven, scientifically that low fat is bad for you.

            As to the Bible goes the grains they refer to are gone. After WWII the country had bomb makers that needed business so the natural sulphur fertilizers were changed with the current mess they use. This is what destroyed our soil and now our food stocks have little vitamins and nutrients and our grains are not the same as those used in Bible days.

            Do some home work before you come on a Perlmutter forum. Jeez. This works and is so healthy. Paleo diet mean anything to you??? That goes back before your Bible.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            dcohn, the American diet is high fat , red meat , pork lunch meats , sausage bacon every one is fat and overweight , it’s not whole grains fruit and vegggies are you kidding me , high fat clogs the arteries . Atkins was a high fat , protein,[ low carb and he was way overweight when he got dizzy , fell on a new York side walk and died. As for the food being devitalized I checked on it we still have in Ca. some of the class one richest soil in the world were we get most of our produce nuts etc, go check on it . And the Paleo is terrible low carb goes against science .

          • dcohn

            Damn you are stubborn as a mule.

            Everyone is fat from eating Bread and sugar not fat and protein.

            I sent you real links with real science but you refuse to read anything and keep going on with how Whole grains, Known NOW to be POISON literally, as a safe diet. You must be a Big Pharma SHILL! No one with any logic would argue that Bread, Beer and Sugar is not the REAL AMERICAN DIET. That is the issue with people getting diabetes. GRAINS< GLUTEN< SUGAR
            FAT is healthy and does not cause any issues with the human. This is true of Cats as well. Ever wonder why cats get diabetes? Dry FOOD is full of Gluten. I run a feline diabetes website and have for years and the cure was NO DRY FOOD switch to RAW.

            So when the Good Doc wrote his book and made this obvious fact glaring I was right on it with him as I experienced it with the cats already.

            I was 25 lbs overweight. Stopped bread and sugar and lost the weight in 1 month. Never gained it back cause I do not eat bread anymore or grains for the most part and minimal sugar. Working on none but after so many years it is hard. I eat Teff grain occasionally as it has no gluten.

            You are a shill I believe. The way you stay around and answer everyone makes it clear you are not someone worth discussing anything with as you refuse real science.

          • dcohn

            Drought world is a great place to grow crops

          • Alpavlow

            You sound like a robot because you keep saying the exact same thing. Not even referencing your sources. The sources of this bible you speak of are the same verses for different subjects. I’m starting to think you are not a real person.

          • Daniel Miller

            Bill you are a fuckkbg nut job! Get your head out of your ass…..read Dr Stephen Phinney or the fact that carbs are one thing the body does not need and the only thing the body can live without. Because the body can convert the min carbs it needs from fats………

          • Lorelle Hatcher

            Dr Atkins died when he slipped on ice, fell back hitting his head on a planter which caused a blood clot, not because he “got dizzy”. Stop altering facts to try to support your nonsense!

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Lorelle, he was way overweight , and he did get dizzy , because many on a ketosis way do get dizzy which makes sense, because the brain is fueled by” CARBS” a FACT , go google” how Atkins died” read the links . What you say is nonsense , your nuts to believe Ketosis is good , get your head out of your ass before it’s too late.

          • Lorelle Hatcher
          • Lorelle Hatcher

            Now I know you’re not just stupid but you’re malicious and you lie. Dr Atkins was 6′ tall and weighed 195 pounds when he was initially admitted to the hospital. No where are there any released medical records that state he fell because he was “dizzy”.

          • Lorelle Hatcher
          • John Brailsford

            Atkins slipped on an icy sidewalk and hit his head on the curbstone, resulting in death.

          • Egghead Einstein

            Bill, I don’t want to be rude but did your concussion have something to do with you using biblical verse as evidence towards scientific proof, because your posts lose a lot of validity mixing the two disciplines, regardless of how convincing your arguments are. My only comment is the fastest way to ketosis is three day binges on methamphetamine. My body odor smells like cat piss, as does everything i sweated on, and its making me more sick than the drugs have ever. A more vile body odor I do not believe I could imagine out of my pours. On the other hand, anybody I meet who has seizures will get some good news from me, I learned something here. Lastly, my neighbor has tourettes and she’s driving me crazy at 2 in the morning. Bye.

          • Jay

            Just stfu. Seriously repeating same crap all over again learn some respect!

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Jay , I have to because it’s not sinking in , and how are facts crap ie; so if the body’s designed for carbs how can eliminating or greatly restricting them be healthy

          • Daniel Miller

            Are you thick Bill ? reading too much Bible ? . Yes the body does need a small amount of carbs but this can be made from fat…the body is clever like that. All heart disease markers and bad LDL and inflammation has gone down with a low carb lifestyle, that is why more and more doctors recommend it and even follow it ! blood work has come back stop on healthy with the lifestyle. Seems you have an ego problem and can not accept anyones else point other than your own…………jeez if you have to turn to a bible written by men you are sad

          • Missle11

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          • justamom

            Oh Bill, you are so so boring.

          • JessWundren

            How can you say something is “scientific fact” and then say Johns Hopkins is Satan’s playground? Where do you think the studies are done to prove scientific fact? Stop embarrassing the rest of us Christians and go get your concussion tended to — it’s obviously affected your logical thinking skills.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Jess , science says the body’s main source of fuel is complex carbs , and hospitals are Satans playground I meant they will gladly operate, run tests for money, like a guiney pig , they will ruin you, they no nothing about even basic nutrition , Ketosis is terrible , the American diet , red meat , pork , refined carbs [ pastries, doughnuts , pop candy ] not whole grains , fruit / veggs

          • Trent

            I cannot believe that all of you have entertained this wingnut Bills nonsensical posts for so long. He just doesn’t get it. He repeats the same thing over and over and doesn’t listen. He definitely has a screw loose. I’m guessing that if he cut out the carbs he might start thinking straight.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Trent, I have to repeat it’s not sinking in , my health is great on a high complex carb way , how do you explain that , the body’s main source of fuel is” CARBS,” wake up, how could greatly reducing or restricting them be good ?.Your the one who doesn’t get it , Dr.s know nothing about nutrition, their not God, what he says is nonsense. And if you stay in Ketosis long enough you will have all kinds of health problems.

          • Karen Edscorn Board

            You need to stop taking Hos. 4:6 out of context since you are the one without knowledge and refusing to even do the smallest amount of research to acquaint yourself with the ketogenic diet. Yes, carbs DO fuel the brain, but ketones can do the same thing. And yes, “let food be thy medicine” — that’s precisely what the Keto diet for seizures is doing — treating epilepsy with diet, rather than the medicines with horrific side effects that don’t work for many people, including my son. My son has been on the diet now for 4 1/2 years, and he hasn’t had kidney stones, and the only time he had issues with acidosis was when he was on the medication Zonegran – when we lowered the dose, the acidosis went away, even though he continued the diet. His cholesterol and triglycerides are perfect. His diet features flaxseed meal, almond flour, pumpkin, zucchini, broccoli, carrots, raspberries, blackberries, starfruit, chicken, beef, eggs, cheese, olives and olive oil, and MCT oil. I’m guessing his diet is healthier than 90% of kids out there.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            There are” herbs” the true way for any medical problem[ brain sezuries] , they are without the side effects of conventional meds, you don’t eliminate the body and brains” main” source of fuel , it’s real bad what you are doing , I urge you to reconsider the elimination of carbs from his way of eating before it’s too late . If something is the main source you don’t reason around it, your deceiving yourself. Perlmutter is way of he’s not God .

          • Karen Edscorn Board

            OK so what “herbs” cure epilepsy. Studies to prove it, please.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Karen Go study into it how hard is this if I can do it you surely can , herbs are the real way to heal or help any mental ,physical malady. They are very powerful just give them like 7 days in your system to kick in .You can’t cut out one of the” 3″ macronutrients to solve a health problem it makes no sense, they are needed all 3 especially carbs that’s why their called” essential” nutrients , you HAVE TO HAVE THEM.

          • Karen Edscorn Board

            Which herbs cure epilepsy, Bill?

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Here’s some , false pepper , valerian , Bo tree, passion flower, violet tree, kava, skull cap , go online google” herbs for epilepsy”, study it carefully , remember if he’s on meds they can interact undesirable , get him slowly of any meds, their terrible , Dr. will ruin your son their lost , they know nothing about alternative meds , the natural way , and get your son back on good whole grains that is what God set up our bodies for Zech 9 : 17 Niv bible . Good luck this is the true right way or approach .Let me know how he’s doing .

          • Karen Edscorn Board

            My son cannot tolerate the “good” whole grains you want him to be on. Grains give him perpetual diarrhea, causing him to be underweight. You say meds are terrible (and I agree with that — every anti-epileptic drug has horrible side effects – that’s why I prefer the dietary approach) – and yet you tout Valerian — don’t you know that Valproic Acid (a common seizure drug) is a derivative of Valerian? And Valerian itself is not really such a good drug — as it causes mental dullness and dopiness. It’s ok every once in a while as a sleep aid, but can’t really be taken every day without turning the person into a zombie. And…Bo tree??? What are you, some sort of pagan??? Don’t you know the Bo tree is worshiped in SE Asia because Buddha received “enlightenment” under the Bo tree? You keep quoting scripture and calling modern medicine “satan” and yet you want people to delve into Ayurvedic medicine that’s based on the Hindu religion?

          • John Brailsford

            You might try Emmer or Einkorn but modern wheat cannot be recommended. Its been hybridized or the result of GMO to give more carbohydrates and gluten. So not to be recommended.
            A ketogenic diet can work for epilepsy. Herbs like drugs attack the result of the problem but not the origin.

          • John Brailsford

            Dr Perlmutter is the way, the truth and the light. Thank God he has debunked so much Dogma in the medical profession and opened up new ways to cure illness

          • Donna

            Cannabis… Worked for my best friends child. Plus a high fat diet, no sugars of any kind. Worth looking into.

          • Keep doing what you are doing! You are on the right path, Karen!

          • spfldo .

            You are full of it. Sugar and empty carbs, including “whole grains”, are what is driving chronic disease in the 20th and 21st Centuries. Why don’t you take your dogma back to the Ornish blog and delve into some conformational bias with them.

          • Missle11

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          • Bill Pickersgill

            spfldo , Your right on one point , table sugar and refined carbs is the cause of diabetes etc , not whole grains they have naturally occurring sugar the way God made it , none of you seem to understand the difference between refined carbs[ white bread , cakes, doughnuts candy etc] and complex carbs [ grains] and simple carbs [ fruit] ,the sugar is naturally occurring . Chronic disease is from sugar and refined carbs not whole grains hardly anyone in our country eats whole grains it’s all refined [ white] bread , with lots of table sugar added to it .

          • Rosie

            WHOLE GRAINS would be the death of me…. every single diabetic is different… if you are diabetic and feel you must have whole grains, more power to you. That does not make you right for anyone else… and you are actually supporting one of the problems that has led to epidemic of TYPE II diabetes.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Rosie , diabetes is caused by refined carbs white bread with sugar added to it , candbars , pop ,doughnuts etc , not whole grains that have naturally occurring sugar. You aquired diabetes from pop, candy , cakes, white bread, doughnuts, not from whole grains.

          • Rosie

            Dear Bill… I’m going to be as pleasant as I can. You are presuming a whole lot to know what I have eaten leading up to the diagnosis of diabetes. I can guarantee you that it was not, as a whole, from your list. One factor was extreme stress from caregiving an elderly parent with dementia (do some research on stress hormones/cortisol), another was sleep apnea, which has nothing to do with diet, and I was basically eating your whole grains during this period. Also was prescribed Lipitor and prescribed a low fat diet. All of the above are factors not related to carbs–simple or complex. If whole grains were sooooo healthy for me, why have I had the first significant drop in my blood sugars and triglycerides since removing grains & starchy carbs from my diet. You don’t answer questions I and others have posed…. and you cherry-pick your data, very unscientific. I invite you to continue eating whole grains & prescribing them for others, but I for one am not going to cave to your suggestions. I have one other suggestion, if you are so enthusiastic about this subject…. Publish your own blog and leave us alone here. You’re not going to convince anyone with your raving…..

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Rosie , it’s called” Sugar” diabetes , sleep , stress have nothing to do with it . You get it from refines carbs [ white bread, pop, candy, doughnuts, cakes etc ] the American way of eating, not complex [ whole grains] or simple carbs [ fruit] The body is set up for complex carbs [ grains ] Zech 9 : 17 Niv bible . And you do not want to take any synthetic drugs from a physician like Lipitor the side effects are horrific , eat whole foods cut out the junk I mentioned above[ refined carbs ] and find an herb for any health problem you have . And thanks for the suggestion will try to do that .

          • Rosie

            Bill…. Please take yourself somewhere else and start your own blog. You have no concept of science. Repeating something over & over does not make it true. Yes, refined carbs are indeed the devil….however, that alone is a simplistic approach to diabetes. It has been called sugar diabetes since Roman times not because the ingestion of sugar, but due to the diagnostic test the physicians of the time used…. The taste of glucose in the urine. PS…havent taken statins for a year & haven’t eaten ANY grains for 10 months…
            HFLC AKA Paleo AKA ketogenic meals… Only thing that has cured triglycerides & high blood sugar.
            PS…the Romans weren’t eating donuts, wheaties or anything in your lists…

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Rosie , look at the rate of sugar diabetes in this country , and look at the American diet pop, candy bars , doughnuts , cakes , pastries , white bread which is refines and they add lots of sugar to it , are you kidding , and diabetes was unheard of times ago , wake up , the body needs complex carbs [ whole ] grains it’s the body’s main source of fuel . Too much sugar burns out the pancreas which then is unable to produce insulin, hence insulin shots . If you shy away from complex carbs your health will suffer, your health is terrible the way you eat, mine is great the way I say to eat, and at the age of almost 60, hello!,

          • Rosie

            Bill….your preaching to the choir when you talk about “SAD” (Standard American Diet)…however, I haven’t eaten the SAD for many years, although I did eat whole grains… Now… please humor me and do your research, this is my challenge to you. What is the scientific name of TYPE 2 (T2D) diabetes?

          • Rosie

            And I’m still trying to figure out how you know what I eat…. I’ll post my dinner if you post yours! Fresh made chicken soup, shredded cabbage, celery, fresh chiles from the garden, onion, broth & chile verde base, avocado on the side. Homemade whole milk yogurt with fresh strawberries. Not a doughnut in sight… only sugar in my house is for hummingbird nectar. Use minimal amount of honey (“mellitus”…oops there’s a clue to another question, unanswered)…usually in tea or a drizzle over yogurt. Freshly fermented sauerkraut (white & red), fresh green tomato & pepper pickles … what’s in your wallet?

          • Bill Pickersgill

            You had to be eating refined carbs to get diabetes you may have stopped now which is good but to get sugar diabetes you had to be eating junk food like white bread , candy ,pop , doughnuts , cookies etc .,it’s that simple and honey is fine its sugar is naturally occurring

          • Rex Manning

            Bill needs to go to school, just because you say the words Scientific fact doesnt mean you are correct. You know nothing jon snow. Go find out what some harvard based studies and mand PHD dpctors are doing instead of trolling on the internet. Dumbass

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Rex , go google the body’s main source of fuel and see what it say’s , it’s a” scientific fact” it’s” complex carbs” not protein or fat ,and the brain is fueled by carbs , since this is the case, common sense would tell you it’s bad to go low carb,[ complex] grains , not white bread, candy, pop, doughnuts etc which is refined carbs . Your heads up your ass so far you need a flashlight to find it.

          • Rosie

            Well, Bill… if you go to this google, it’s about evenly divided… you can’t cherry-pick the googles you want

            https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1SFXN_enUS498US545&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=body%27s%20main%20source%20of%20fuel

          • Rosie

            and this is what I mean, you still haven’t answered this……

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Rosie ,no one gets diabetes or raises their blood sugar level too high from whole grains ,white bread which has lots of sugar added to it along with other refined carbs like candy , doughnuts pop etc yes , you did not get diabetes from whole grains your wrong .I’m not cheery picking anything the body is set up for whole grains [ complex carbs ] it’s the body’s main source of fuel , go google the body’s main source of fuel and you will see what I say is true, so how could eliminating or being on a low carb be conducive to good health.There is organic grains that are fine no GMO etc . And I eat a high complex carb way, fruit / veg, some protein [ fish , chicken] a little fat ,[ whole dairy] , , spring water ,and as I said my health is just short of perfect , no pork it’s an unclean animal , and a little red meat. There’s an old saying that is very true ” Grains are the staff of life ” and the bible backs that up Zech 9 : 17 Niv bible .

          • Ephesians 4:29

          • Rosie

            et tu, Jason!

          • Rosie

            Bill, did you ever click on the link to google of the same question you are telling Rex? it is a 50/50 crap shoot… 50% of the hits (old school nutrition) site carbs as fuel, 50% site fat as fuel… can’t cherry pick…. see 2 comments below… and click on the google link

          • Rosie

            Nope

          • maria

            i diagree with you i have been on a hight protin diet for 5 years now i am 57years old i started this whin i was going thu menopause and also found out i have celiac put me on hight protin diet lost 85 pounds and off all med i have never been healthier in my life go get the book on eat right for your blood type look up blood type o read it

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Maria, high protein is not good , it, 1] leeches calcium from the bones 2] is hard on the kidneys 3] makes the blood Ph acidic instead of alkaline , you will have serious health problems if you stay on a high protein low carb , the body’s main source of fuel is carbs , that’s a fact , how then can eliminating carbs be good ?, doctors aren’t God they know nothing about basic nutrition , stay away from doctors Mk 5 : 26 Niv bible .

          • Sunny Brook

            Bill I suggest you google “metabolic ketoacidosis vs dietary ketosis” to fully understand what what a ketosis diet is about. It is not dangerous as the other type is because responsive insulin is present in the ketosis diet. Also the American diet is NOT high protein!!! The obesity epidemic is due to processed carb/sugar diet (because it is cheaper but addicting just like cocaine-really it is) combined with high unhealthy fats. Yes, physiologically, all body cells need glucose for energy but the body produces glucose from ingested fats not ingested starch, carbs., sugars in the ketosis diet.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Sunny ,this is simple your trying to get all complicated just stick to the basics the bodys main source of fuel is complex[ carbs] a scientific fact [ grains] . then simple carbs [ fruit] , , not protein or fat , how then can abstaining or limiting considerably carbs be good for the body . The American diet isn’t whole grains and fruit / veg , but meat [ pork ,hamburgers, steak, roast beef, lunch meats, all high protein . And yes refined carbs, candy , doughnuts , white bread, pop, which leads to[ sugar] diabetes . Just because he’s a doctor means nothing he’s not God, what he espouses is nut’s , it’s terrible to be in a Ketosis state it will ruin one’s health , it makes the blood Ph acidic which you do not want.

          • Sunny Brook

            Bill, you REFUSE to distinguish the medical states of ketoacidosis vs ketosis!!! Is your brain not capable of understanding basic biochemistry? At the cellular level, cells use GLUCOSE as it fuel for energy. Now go back to school, and read about gluconeogenesis…

            gluconeogenesis

            [gloo″ko-ne″o-jen´ĕ-sis]

            the synthesis of glucose from noncarbohydrate sources, such as amino acids and glycerol. It occurs primarily in the liver and kidneys whenever the supply of carbohydrates is insufficient to meet the body’s energy needs. Gluconeogenesis isstimulated by cortisol and other glucocorticoids and by the thyroid hormone thyroxine.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Sunny, I agree, but the whole point is you do not want to be in a[ carb] deprived state for very long,it leads to an acidic blood Ph condition [ Ketosis ] which is bad . You must eat carbs [ bread] with say protein [ fish ] it’s a basic principle of nutrition . There is no truth out there today Isa 59 : 15 Niv bible , don’t listen to what doctors say their terrible Mk 5 :26 .

          • Sunny Brook

            Bill, You can NEVER prove dietary ketosis puts one in an acidotic state. You know why? Because dietary ketosis has been TESTED by laboratory measurements to not be a cause of acidosis. METABOLIC KETOACIDOSIS, yes, hence it is called ketoACIDOSIS!!! you frickin goof ball. Put it another way, prove to us that dietary ketosis leads to acidosis. come on, show us the data.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Sunny , your all puffed up by what you think you know 1 Cor 8 : 1,2 Niv bible , here is a simple way to tell if your in a ketosis state just smell your own breath ,does it smell acidic , and it will if you eat protein without carbs , a simple fact of nutrition. You fool, go ahead and cut out the body’s main source of fuel and you will suffer . How can one of the” 6″ essential ,notice I said “essential” nutrients” be bad for you , would it make sense to say or cut out one of them , you morons.

          • Sunny Brook

            I KNOW what I know. You do not. God gave us a brain to use. It’s LOW carbohydrate, not no carbohydrate. Changing the ratios of fats, proteins and carbs to consume. The primal way man use to eat where no grains existed.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Why would you want low carb since the body’s main source of fuel is ” CARBS” . And grains have always existed since day one Gen 42 : 1,2 Niv bible .

          • Sunny Brook

            WRONG on both counts Bill. The body’s main source of fuel is GLUCOSE. There were NO GRAINS during the Pre-historic (cave men) days. NONE. The grains of today are NOT like the grains of Gen 42: 1,2 Niv bible. Glycemic index of whole grains is sufficient to cause ‘sugar diabetes’. Ask God to enlighten you with His God-made scientists in addition to your bible.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Sunny, glucose isn’t a nutrient , and it’s what carbs are converted to , and there is nothing wrong with the grains of today save corn which is GMO , I’ve checked on it especially if there organic. Carbs are one of the 6 essential nutrients go check on it why would you want to eliminate any of the six? if there essential.

          • Sunny Brook

            Bill, correct, glucose is not a nutrient, it IS THE BASIC FUEL for cells that is MADE FROM the BASIC nutrient sources of proteins, carbohydrates and fats. Carbohydrates are NOT required to be the MAIN, component of the three. Remember that these 6 essential nutrients can be harmful if taken in excess quantity…they can be poisonous when ingested in harmful quantities. So it is the ratio of each to one another is screwed up in the SAD. TOO MANY CARBS, and that includes whole grains. LOW CARB IS BEING PROMOTED, NOT ELIMINATE. 4:4:2 RATIO. And YES there is very much wrong with the grains of today, even if organic. Please provide me YOUR credentials that make you the expert. Remember, God has made me and given me knowledge through the use of my brain and studying objectively the science and data behind my words. Or do you believe the earth is square?

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Sunny, why do you all say what is true isn’t true , go google it, put into the box,” body’s main source of fuel “it’s” CARBS”, what is so hard about thiis

          • Broman

            Proverbs 12:15

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Broman , your deceived, the Pr is perfect for all of you , my health is excellent and I consume a high carb diet which science backs up , I’ll gladly take advice if it’s good, this is so simple, don’t believe the nonsense , It’s like me against all of you, so think about this verse Matt 7 : 13 ,14 Niv bible .

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Sunny , The ratio should be like 65% carbs 25%protein 15% fat , you want more carbs than the other 2 , and their is nothing wrong with todays grains especially organic I studied into it , and you brought up God that he made you so what about Zech 9 : 17 Niv bible .As for my credentials what, you can’t study for your self , what about Dan 1 : 17 , and Ac 4 : 13 .

          • Sunny Brook

            Where do you get those ratios Bill Pickersgill? Should be??? Ahhh, that is the age old typical Standard American Diet (based on that fallacy of the FDA food pyramid) that has made this nation of the modern world country as the fattest of them all. My Bible is different from yours obviously. Go read the real Good Book.

          • Alpavlow

            Robot….

          • Alpavlow

            Again, robot….. Also, not all Americans eat this “American diet” I have NEVER eaten that way. My whole life has been whole grains, whole milk, fruits veggies and protein. I have always just listened to what my body wanted which has never really been anything other than fruits and veggies.

            Also, on this whole god thing,
            How do you know God didn’t create the doctors to give us answers to these issues? He made them. Why would he have given them these answers it they are lies? What about Einstein and other great scientists? Did God not give them the brains they had? Which then unveiled these marvelous DISCOVERIES?

          • Lorelle Hatcher
          • You are so wrong Bill!

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Mary, I’m not wrong at all carbs are the body’s main source of fuel go research it , one of the 3 macro nutrient one of the 6 essential nutrients this is so simple don’t fall for the nonsense, of another quack diet.Just because he’s a Dr. means nothing, he’s not God , which you people can’t seem to understand. Remember lack of the right knowledge will destroy you Hos 4 : 6[ Niv] bible .

          • Neicee

            Bill, this last comment by you is unforgiveable. To tell a mother that her choice of healthcare is wrong, with the child showing great improvement is ugly. Are you God or a doctor? I think you are neither. You are a fail at compassion.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            You don’t understand there is a saying the” cure is worse than the disease”. Yes , Ketosis may help certain conditions but it will put undue stress on other systems [ kidneys] of the body , it’s no answer , there are natural remedies to depression etc !, namely” Herbs” .

            Go look into what I’m saying . And no I’m not God , but he will give you understanding if you spend time on your knees asking for it Pr 2 : 3 , Pr 2 : 6 , Dan 1 : 17[ NIV] bible .

            As for Dr “s . their not God , for the most part they are terrible, they will ruin you. You will go away worse most of the time if you let them diagnose and treat you Mk 5 : 26 [ NIV] bible .

          • lea perrins

            Bill you are spouting crap. As for telling someone who is diabetic that carbs is not what is causing their bloods to spike then you are very mistaken and indoctrinated.

            First of all let me explain that I do not eat a low carb diet. However, I do know that low carb diets are beneficial for some people, especially diabetics. Since food is medicine then it is utter common sense that people will have different diet requirements depending upon their particular state of health or allergies.

            It is actually starting to be recommended by some clinics that diabetics try low carb diets since it is proven to stabilse blood sugar levels.

            You don’t know what you are talking about and you have clearly not looked into any of the science behind low carb diets. You also assume that low carb means high protein which isn’t the case at all. Your ideas all seem to be based around the Atkins diet.

            I don’t generally get into arguments about food because I don’t agree that there is a one diet that fits all. However, I cannot bear people spouting ignorant tripe and then insulting people further by ‘backing it up’ with bible versus.

            Get educated or go away.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            What are you talking about refined carbs [ candy bars, pop , doughnuts, cakes putting” too” much sugar into your coffee etc is what causes sugar diabetes. There’s a huge difference between refined carbs [ white] bread loaded with sugar and whole grains which have naturally occurring sugar , do you understand ?.

            Right, diabetics need to stop the refined carbs not whole grains , you don’t understand basic nutrition . No one becomes a diabetic from eating whole grains, but they do from candy bars , pop , cakes , doughnuts etc [ refined carbs]. .

            Your the one who doesn’t know what your talking about , you don’t even understand the difference between refined carbs and complex [ whole] carbs , unbelievable . Your talking out of emotions instead of your head and scientific facts .

            And you must eat grains” carbs” with protein or you will go into Ketosis which you do” not” want , contrary to the nonsense you hear today .

            Ketosis is low to no carbs which is what the Atkins was or is , you don’t understand, hopefully you do now .

            And clinics, Dr.’s etc are the wors,t don’t listen to them they will ruin you Mk 5 : 26 NIV bible .

            Hope you like today’s bible verse Pr 22 : 24[ Niv] bible .

          • rbmindful

            Karen, your information is correct. By coincidence I met a couple yesterday who sent their severely epileptic grandaughter to Dr. Perlmutter. She is seizure free when compliant with the low-carb diet he recommended. Compliance has been an issue, though. Best wishes to you and your son.

          • JessWundren

            Thank you! I did decide to stop feeding the troll, since he appears incapable of logic.

          • Karen…Yes you are so right. Johns Hopkins has been working with ketogenic diet with children and adults for 100 years. I ma working with a company that produces a keto supplement and it is working on many levels for people. It’s not just about fat loss. Many more benefits.

          • justamom

            I doubt we eat a high protein diet! More high carbs….junk food, sugar, brad. Come back in a few months Bill when you are up to speed.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            justamom, we do eat high protein pork , red meat [ steak, hamburgers, roast beef etc], and we do eat high carbs [ refined ] white bread , doughnuts , pop , candy , pastries ,] not whole grains [ complex carbs ] fruit/ vegs..

          • Alpavlow

            Gross!!! Seriously??? Who do you hang out with that eats this way?? I know zero people that eat all these things!!! I haven’t had white bread since grade school and only because I traded lunches. And I can’t even remember the last time I had a donut. Also, my body only lets me eat around 6oz. Of meat in a day, IF THAT. Eating too much of anything other than fruit and veggies makes me feel sick.

          • Rosie

            Please interpret that passage for us…. also, why do you use the NIV? just curious…. could you list your credentials from academia or are you willing to say who you are employed by? You frequently diss dieticians, doctors, etc.. .but the stuff you say about whole grains is exactly what I was quoted by a diabetic dietician 8 years ago… Also, are you diabetic? or have been? you don’t share anything personal about yourself, but your preach how others should be eating. If you notice, most people are here to share their successes and to share knowledge that has helped them. We are all our own proof of what is working and what is not. Have you ever used a glucose meter 1/2 hour after eating your whole grains? think you might be amazed…. unless you are obtaining them from outside this country or from a non-commercial grower, you are not eating the grains of the bible (einkorn wheat, emmer, triticum) try this for an intelligent look at the grains of biblical days. http://wellnessmama.com/2359/bible-grains/

          • Rosie

            To add to the fray, ketosis IS NOT ketoacidosis….. and ketosis IS the natural state of man. Try reading Tripping over the Truth by Travis Christofferson. This is documentation of hard science (molecular biology/biochemistry)…. burning of glucose is the primitive, anerobic form of converting energy. Cancer LOVES high glucose!!! (The whole concept of the P.E.T. scan is based on this reality). Read up on the Warburg effect, might be a little too scienc-y for ya…..

          • barb

            I

            went on a low carb diet. I was in ketosis and kept my PH at a 7.4 which is a good alkaline by taking a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar with mother in my water. I lost 15 pounds in 4 weeks. I had detoxed my body so when I reintroduced certain foods I found out I was allergic to bakers yeast. I have avoided my food allergy and went back to eating an occasional treat of some carbs. I kept the weight off for the last 4 weeks. I have never felt better and plan on going back into ketosis to lose another 10 lbs. I am off the high blood pressure medicine and plan on getting off the cholesterol medicine with the next 10 lbs. The low carb diet is working for me, so don’t say it is bad when I am getting off the statins and the prescription meds.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Barb, you never had to go on those synthetic physician meds with horrific side effects “, Herbs” are the way to go , their very powerful with no side effects ,just google herbs for any medical condition you have, they help organ’s work up to optimal capacity . For example dark chocolate is tremendous for high blood pressure it relaxes the arteries by 40 % which reduces arterial pressure . Remember it’s about1] foods , then2] herbs then3] essential oils also are very good to help with any health problem . There’s a saying” whole foods have tremendous healing powers”. There’s a whole world” alternative medicine” [ herbs] people don’t know about , and what you don’t know can kill you Hos 4 : 6 Niv bible .

          • Missle11

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          • Katherine

            The body is quite capable of making sufficient glucose from fats to fuel the parts of the brain that require glucose – it is designed to do this. It is far from deadly to lower carbs, but it IS important to keep good fats up. Many people (individuals and whole populations) thrive on very low carb diets when adequate fat is included.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            No, you don’t understand the brain is primarily fueled by carbs this is a scientific” fact” not my opinion,the body is set up for complex carb’s [ grains] and simple carbs [ fruit] period,, not fat or protein , how can all of you dismiss these simple fact’s?, it’s unbelievable .
            And yes there are exceptions to the rule like the inuit [ eskimos] who live on fat as the primary source of fuel , because they live in sub zero temps year around , that’s not you or the majority of us .
            It’s nut’s to believe it’s good to be in a Ketogenic state , it’s the opposite , look at the American diet it’s ketogenic ,[ high protein and fat] red meat ,pork , lunch meats etc , not whole grains , fruit and veg, and look at the result’s . A high fat leads to heart attacks [ clogged arteries and high protein is no good either .
            There is no truth out there Isa 59 : 15 Niv bible , as was predicted for our time by a great man of God about 4000yrs agao for our times. it’s mostly nonsense and if you believe it and adhere to it you will ruin your health .

          • Franklin

            Bill, I have been on a low carb diet for years, I try to keep the red meat to a minimum, How ever I still eat veggies and some fruit. I basically live on bacon,eggs,veggies,chicken,cheeses,bananas,nuts and the occasional steak. I stay away from processed foods and sugary sweets, however every now and then I do cheat and indulge. The worst part of the diet is I pretty much had to stop drinking fruit juice due to the high level of sugars, so its mostly water and occasionally diet soda. I lost 100 pounds and have never felt better or more healthy eating like this, so I think you are way off base with your opinion.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Franklin, Fruit and veggies are excellent but veggies aren’t a carbohydrate food , and fruit is great but it’s a [simple ]carb not a[ complex carb] , add the whole grains and you will really be doing good . And fruit juices are fine the sugar is naturally occurring , unlike say pop , no one seems to understand the difference between naturally occurring sugar in like an apple and table or refined white sugar like in a candy bar . And stop the diet pop, it’s full of artificial sugar , and chemicals and can cause bladder cancer , even regular pop is way better than diet pop , one of the worst things you can put into your body.

          • Lexy

            THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS A JOKE. You can’t actually think that fruit juices contain “naturally occurring sugar” and that they are OK to drink. I think it’s upsetting how misinformed you are. As for all your other statements on this site- I just wonder what kind of crap you have been reading on google.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Lexy, Go check on what I say , what’s the body’s main source of fuel , it’s carbs , and you can easily find real fruit juices like apple juice that says 100% apple juice with filtered water , and they are way better than pop which is the rebuttal I gave to the man who drank diet pop.

          • Folwart

            Just because it’s been done doesn’t make it right. We’ve consumed alcohol for all of recorded history. Perhaps sobriety is an unnatural state due to a lack of ethanol? The body burns ethanol before carbs, it must be a preferred fuel right? Beer people, it is the future.

            Judging by the trend I’d say the body burns the least desirable fuel first to get rid of it and it stores fat because it’s the best fuel for us. Maybe we can’t use the stored fat if we keep drowning ourselves in carbs. Just a thought. I’m trying it because it’s the logical conclusion to the evidence at hand. Mainstream science these days is such a sketchy deal.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Your deceiving yourself , you said what ?, sobriety is an unnatural state , we are designed to be drunk , unbelievable .

          • Folwart

            You’re unbelievable.

          • Eric S.

            DF – I totally agree with your line of logic in this post. The body burns the easiest, most dangerous fuel first to rid our body of the danger. Then stores what it needs for later, such as in the event of survival mode. The stored fat must be better as the body accepts it, and stores it for when it is really needed. So, remove the carbs, and the body runs off of its reserves, therefore we lose weight.

          • Darth Folwart

            It’s by no means a fact and I haven’t found any hard data on it, but there’s enough anecdotal evidence and logical reasoning in the concept, at least at first glance, to warrant a closer look. I think we got ahead of ourselves by teaching some of this stuff in schools without making it very clear that the jury is still out on a lot of this dietary stuff. Perhaps some teachers did, mine didn’t.

            People tend to like concrete answers. Sadly, they’ll take mental shortcuts to give themselves the illusion of concrete answers, but these are hollow and unsupported, or not supported enough.

            That’s the funny thing about the education system. When these students go to college they expect that the books will have answers, generally speaking. Often times the book teaches in general, not specific, terms. We are expected to actually think critically, to take advantage of all the information and avoid hasty assumptions and fallacious reasoning.

            Take support staff for disabled children and adults for instance. This is a field that has far more questions than answers, yet many of these people believe that they have them. They are educated, the book says “this”. I’ve read some of those books. The books describe generalized terms that the graduate is supposed to use it to guide them toward the answers they seek, the book doesn’t flat out give the answers. It can’t. They don’don’t know everything about autism or what have you. Every individual is different, there is nothing concrete.

            You’ll have someone that thinks critically trying to share their experience and these staff members and upper management of these facilities dismiss it. They mistakenly believe that they already know, or maybe they just don’t care. When the client begins to regress they make excuses, they squirm, and after the damage has already been done over a period of time they may finally be ready to listen.

            That’s too late. Far too late. That shows that they couldn’t or chose not to take the time to mentally process the information offered and see if it was sound before making an ignorant assumption and setting an individual, that really can’t afford to lose the time, backwards developmentaly. All because they wanted it to be simple, they wanted it so bad that they convinced themselves that the book taught them the answers when it clearly taught them the questions. That’s their job, to ask questions and find answers to help these individuals reach their potential.

            I went on a bit of a tangent there, but it was a good example. There are many scenarios which this holds true, but it’s not true for all topics and/or subjects. It’s just something we should all be aware of and try to avoid. Questions often beget more questions and eventually, hopefully, one or more answers. Answers are the end of the road and won’t cause many to look further. They want answers, not questions, so when they see answers their work is done. Bah.

          • RB

            sucrose and glucose are just carbs to the body Whether naturally occurring or not. Sugar is sugar.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            One’s a monosaccrharide the other sucrose is a disaccharide . The body’s main source of fuel is complex carbs [ grains] which are converted to glucose not sucrose . Sucrose, glucose and fructose are actually quite different . Google [ difference between glucose and sucrose] .

          • Daniel Miller

            Bill honey your body can convert enough of the fat into the min carbs needed for the brain…try talking to a Doctor to explain this to you ! So you are wrong pal

          • Bill Pickersgill

            I can’t believe you all think because their a Dr. that that means something concerning nutrition. Talk about having your head up your ass , what you said is nonsense go google body’s main source of fuel see what it is , and your going to say what the body’s set up for” carbs” is not needed, unbelievable, Hello. As Christ would say” I tell you the truth” Dr. will ruin you Mk 5 : 26 Niv bible , they know zilch about basic nutrition. How true what a great man of God predicted for our modern times Isa 59 : 15 Niv bible . I warn all of you anyone who cuts out carbs or severely restricts them will ruin their health in time .

          • jbobsmith

            Then go eat your “complex” f-ing carbs that you love so much, and stop coming here and being an f*%&ing TROLL!!!

            I’m sure that will make you much happier, because you’ll get to see Jebus a whole lot faster that way…

            If you want to be a religious vegan troll, go do it somewhere else. Nobody here wants to argue the point with someone like you, as you have obviously already made up your small, little, closed off, mind.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            A lot of people engage me , and I’m trying to keep people from destroying themselves by all the bullshit , and the only small closed mind is yours . I’ll comment were I want to . Quit worshipping Dr. ‘s he’s not God .

          • George Hudson

            How and why do you quote scriptures and mention God, then in the next breath you are cursing using foul language? Here’s one for you !!! Matt.5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            I’ll work on it , Christ did get so angry he called people” snakes” . Elijah belittled people , , saying I’m tired of all the bullshit isn’t that bad you get fed up people’s lives are being ruined .I’m dying to know do you agree with what I’m saying . the holy spirit leads and guides you into all truth . O yeah and Peter cursed when he got scared in the court yard , but you are right , I need to teach without resentment , but I’m not Christ .

          • Bill Pickersgill

            George, I’m dying to know, do you understand and agree that what I’m saying is true .? And did you get my previous response about my anger ?.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            George, I’m dying to know if you agree with what I am saying about Ketosis , you quoted scripture so I’m assuming your a believer, but if you are and you don’t agree with me about Ketosis being bad that’s is not good . Remember the holy sprit leads and guides one into” all” truth . Why won’t you respond . You better be spending a lot of time on your knees Dan 6 : 10 Niv bible so as not to be deceived . Remember it say’s the peace of God which trandscends all understanding will guard your heart and mind , which it say’s come’s thru PRAYING!!!.

          • erin b

            Narcissistic Personality Disorder(NPD) Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD).
            You are atypical. You want to be the center of this group, which you are opposed to on their main form of belief. You sought out this form knowing good and well you would receive the attention you seek.
            Get a life with like minded people and make yourself useful, productive and find your way in the world. Or seek professional help if you are incapable of doing so.
            NPD or HPD, these issues cause problems in relationships, social network and daily realization in all setting and activities.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Erin, my motive is to help people buy exposing lies like Ketosis is a good thing when it’s terrible . Go goggle” body’s main source of fuel” it’s carbs, so why is everyone in the health and nutrition field telling you carbs are bad ?. You will ruin your health staying long on a low to no carb diet , you must eat carbs with protein to keep the blood Ph alkaline instead of acidic. My life is very productive thanks to God , your delusional. My help comes from God not so- called professional people Ps 60 : 11 Niv bible . A perfect example is Dr. Perlmutter .

          • tammy

            OMG you are the one with your head up your rear. Really, you are getting your nutrition advice from an archaic book that was meant to teach people morals so that society could function at the time.

            There is more than ample research and proof the body does not require the intake of carbohydrates. The human body does itself convert fat into the glucose that is necessary when carbs are not ingested.

            Additionally, for you to say vegetables do not contain complex carbs is just plain ignorant. 20 grams of carbs a day from dark green vegetables is more than sufficient.

            To say the American diet is not carb heavy and that pasta and bread do not contribute to obesity is also ignorant. It most certainly does. Excess carb intake is stored as fat on the body because the body does not need large amounts of carbs and cannot do anything with it but store it.

            Eating healthy fats, such as coconut oil actually improves metabolism, it does not slow it down. So perhaps you should ditch the bread have a spinach salad dressed with some olive oil and some avocado slices.

            The body can adequately use either carbs OR fat for an energy source. Once carbs are depleted the body switches to fat burning. Please spend a little time doing some research instead of spouting off at the mouth and quoting the bible.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Your nut’s , you need to study basic nutrition . Grains [ bread] is thee most important macronutrient for the body a scientific fact . There are exceptions to that rule , and just because something has been around for a long time doesn’t mean it’s not true or relevant.

            What you hear today is nonsense , like what Perlmutter espouses. There is no truth out there today as was predicted by a great man of God Isa 59 : 15 Niv bible .

            How could one of the” 3″ macronutrients be bad for you ?, common sense would tell you need all three . You must eat carbs with protein or your blood Ph will become acidic [ Ketosis] which you do not want . Go study into it instead of talking out of emotions .

            The body’s main source of fuel is” complex carbs , go google” body’s main source of fuel” . This is so simple . Sure the body will use fat or protein for energy but it’s not what it’s set up for , and if you do that for any length of time you will have all kinds of health problems. You think because he’s a Dr. his word is gospel , it isn’t, what he teaches is terrible , and you will suffer if you cut out carbs , . The brain is fueled by carbs go study it .

            My nutrition advice is current. Go study the importance of carbs, is it the body’s main source of fuel . So how could depriving the body of it’s main source of fuel be a good thing ?.

            Excess of carbs , fat or protein [ calories] will be stored as fat not just carbs .

            A high fat [ saturated] diet , meats [ pork , red meat ] the American diet will clog the arteries [ heart attacks] and high protein will 1] leech calcium from the bones 2] makes the blood Ph acidic 3 ] is hard on the kidneys.

            High carbs [ refined] the American diet [ white bread , candy bars , doughnuts , pastries , cakes , cookies ] leads to sugar diabetes .

            No , science” today” say’s the body does need considerable amounts of complex carbs [ whole grains] , fruit and veg .

            Here’s a simple test smell your own breath does it smell acidic , and it will if you go low or no carbs , which is very bad .

            There’s a saying grains are the” Staff of Life. ” They are one of the” 4″ original food groups .

            You remind me of this scripture concerning women 11 Tim 3 : 7 [ Niv] bible .

          • RedCandy

            Wow, Bill, you still can’t spell or write properly! LOL… get educated.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            I spell great . Get your head out of Perlmutter ‘s ass , it’s very unbecoming. You remind me of this scripture Gal 6 : 3 [ Niv] bible .
            You fool. Go google” body’s main source of fuel” tell me what it say’s .

            Your arrogant because you think your so intelligent, but you know nothing . You can’t bring yourself to acknowledge the truth . 11 Tim 3 : 7 Niv bible . In context this verse is about women .

            Google” Do carbs have important functions”, tell me what it say’s . Unbelievable . They are one of the 3 macro- nutrients , one of the 6 essential nutrients , a scientific fact . Wake up .

          • Scott Meeker

            I’m very interested in this discussion and glad I found it.

            There appears to be some very nice and logical people in this thread, but you seriously need a lesson in Trolling101.
            It is true that if you ignore it, it will go away. By replying to it (the Troll), you fuel its fire. Its having a pretty good time. It’s only here to continue its clever babble. Just ignore it, and if it doesn’t go away soon enough, maybe the admin will ban.

            I’m failing at the diet, trying to battle cancer, so I’m wanting it badly, but its going to take time…carbs are everywhere.

          • jbobsmith

            Hi Scott, sorry about the diagnosis. For some cancers, a very strict ketogenic diet may be able to help. Take a gander at the video at the following link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f5e9GbXvIk

            It is discussion Ivor Cummins had with a 30 year old brain cancer victim, who is doing a very tweaked version of a ketogenic diet, doing no seeds like almond or sunflower (which we like to use as flour replacements) as they are too high in omega 6 fats. Instead he is eating the whole (pastured) animal (from snout to tail), as many of the organ meats have high levels of omega 3 fats like DHA (brains) or CoQ10 (heart), and so on. And he’s eating lots of fish too. In this way, he’s getting something like a 1:1 or better omega 3 to omega 6 fat intake ratio. He’s been in “remission” for 3 years now.

            Cancer is basically a broken cell that won’t die. The way a ketogenic diet can help, is because most cancers run on sugar only. In fact, if you’ve had a PET scan, and your cancer was “glowing”, it is showing that it is being fueled by sugar. By feeding your body only fat, it is forced to run on mostly ketones, which basicaly can starve out the cancer (or at least slow it down). In combination with chemo and/or radiation, it can help you kick this cancer to the curb.

            You’ll have to learn to cook everything you eat yourself, as you are right, carbs are everywhere. READ the ingredient list on EVERYTHING you purchase. Learn the sneaky euphemisms that food companies use to disguise sugars and starches (dextrose, maltitol, multodextrin to name a few). Almost all processed foods will have some form of sugar and/or starch in them. Avoid most fruits, and fruit juices. Although they may be “natural”, they are naturally high in fructose (SUGAR).

            Go to websites like alldayidreamaboutfood.com or ruled.me or ketodietapp.com for some good ketogenic recipes. Look up the “fat bomb” recipes for both sweet and savory snacks. Get yourself some MTC oil, as that will help get you into ketosis (I have it with my morning coffee). Seeds like chia and flax are good for baking many ketogenic baked goods (like flax bread, a staple food in my house) and are both high in omega 3 ALA oils. If your not already doing so, get some high quality fish oil supplements (DHA/EPA) that are certified by a 3rd party (“Nature Made” is USP certified) and take double or even triple doses per day.

            If you need to make something sweet, get erythritol and stevia (about 1/2 tsp of powdered stevia to 1 cup of erythritol is equal to the sweetness of sugar). Both erythritol and stevia are all natural non-caloric sweetners. Splenda is cheaper, but it is artificial (possible kidney killer) and it uses maltodextrin as a bulking agent, which is very high GI (Glycemic Index) starch.

            Increase your salt and water intake, a lot. Ketosis requires a lot of water. You’ll know when your in ketosis, as your thrist will increase. Take magnesium (not oxide), as that’s another mineral your probably deficient in, and it will help you to not get the “Atkins flu” when starting the diet. The excess water will also cause you to expel more salt and magnesium too. Vitamin D3 and K2-MK4 are two other vitamins you should also consider taking, as the K2 feeds your bones, which is what makes red & white blood cells (immune system support). D3 and magnesium are needed for the K2 to work properly. I take all three of these, and I haven’t had anything much more than a cold in the last three years (and the colds I do get are so mild, I hardly consider them little more than a slight nuisance).

            Don’t be fat phobic. I know we’ve been hammered for the last 40 years to fear fat, but you need to ignore that crap now, your life depends on it. The only bad fats are trans-fats, and the so called “hearth healthy” vegetable oils (corn, margarine, soy, sunflower, & canola). Get butter, coconut oil, good quality EVOO (Extra Virgin Olive Oil), cacao butter, even lard (make sure it is not hydrogenated lard). They should be natural, and as little processed as possible. Instead of milk, use UNSWEETENED Almond or coconut milk and/or get some real heavy cream (the kind that has only 1 ingredient, “Cream”). For example: almost every suppertime meal I am having broccoli liberally doused with Alfredo Sauce (1/4 c butter, 1/2 c heavy cream, & 3/4 c Parmesan, S&P to taste).

            Oh, look for shirataki noodles if you like pasta and rice. Amazon has them too. They are low carb high fiber. The point is, you can actually eat pretty good tasting food, even sweet tasting deserts when prepared properly from scratch.

            Sorry for the long reply, hope this helps steer you in the right direction. Good luck, hope you kick that cancer’s @ss.

          • mensamom

            jbobsmith you can also use spaghetti squash to replace noodles in your dishes. Spaghetti squash with marinara or meat sauce is delicious! I prefer the squash noodles to pasta noodles any day and NO carbs. Your advice to Scott Meeker is spot on! Thanks for your input.

          • AnnieLaurie Burke

            You can also get an inexpensive spiral cutter and make “noodles” of all kinds of veggies. I enjoy this kind of low-carb “pasta” frequently. It has so much more flavor (and nutrition!) than the grain-based type.

          • Christine

            And you Have been brainwashed to believe there was a
            God ! Lol how amusing

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Christine, Ps 14 : 1 [ Niv] bible

          • Folwart

            The jury is out on the existence if a creator. I am inclined to believe that science will never prove that something came from nothing. The origins of the universe are a mystery, but if you think it was an accident you’re delusional. Nothing doesn’t have accidents. Something does on occasion though, or someone.

            Shaming his beliefs doesn’t serve the argument, it just makes you look the fool. I’m sharing for your benefit, I fully expect you’ll try to shame me too. I’ll tell you now, take this or leave it. I know no shame that I haven’t earned, and if I earn it I bring it.

          • Folwart

            Have you ever been to the U.S.? We’re all about carbs. I’m looking at going low carb and carbs have been such a major part of my diet it doesn’t seem like there will be anything left to eat if I go low carb. This is obviously not true, but carbs make up half of the average American meal and for most 80% of the snacks.

            You are so wrong in this that it proves you have not kept current and have only listened to the surface of what news has told you. “Blah blah fat America”. America got fat from sugar, refined carbs (bread, pasta) and unhealthy fats, and fucked up crazy combinations of refined sugar, unhealthy fat and carbs in one recipe. Also, see “soda” and “McDonald’s”. Sugar is the main problem in America, I can provide all the proof you need if you really need it. I’ll take you for a video tour right in the heart of America, the fitting “bread basket”, in North Dakota.

            Our bodies aren’t the work of a moron if you believe in creation, and if you don’t believe in creation, then nature doesn’t allow inefficient weak traits to dominate. Maybe the body burns the less healthy fuel first to get it out of the body as soon as possible?

            There are logical reasons why we’d be mislead into going for other sources. If governments and society really wanted people healthy soda would’t be a thing. Mainstream anything doesn’t give a fuck about you, the sooner you realize that and escape the lie the sooner you can see the world for what it is and heal yourself mentally, emotionally, spiritually and physically. Wake the fuck up, Brother.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Folwart, no body eats whole grains are you kidding me , they eat candy bars , doughnuts , cakes, cookies , pop refined carbs which wiil give you sugar diabetes , carbs have no fat in them , and go check on the body’s main source of fuel it’s” CARBS” they are one of the” 6″ essential nutrients go check on it , if something is essential then you need it in this case” carbs” . There are many people who are diabetic that aren’t overweight . Whole grains are not refined carbs that is white bread , which is stlil better than no bread at all. The American diet is high fat[ red meat [ hamburgers, steak , roast beef], pork[ lunch meats , sausage, bacon ham] etc , that clogs the arteries , which is why heart attacks are epidemic not from refined carbs . People who are fat eat high fat diets , too much fat makes you fat , there is no fat in pasta , potatoes, bread it’s what you want. You must eat carbs with protein or you become ketogenic which you do not want , go check on should you eat carbs with protein , go google it .

          • Folwart

            You are clueless. Who says it’s the main source? Scientists in some bodies pocketbook? You don’t know. Think for yoursekf, do yoyr own research. That’s why many of us are trying this diet jack ass. If it turns out bad and you’re right, fine, but if you’re wrong then you need to thank people like us for watching out for yoyr brainwashed ass.

            You’re regurgitating crap we’ve all been taught in school. Carbs are cheap and overused in America. You have no idea about the American diet, and there are millions of reasonably to very healthy people here as well. Just drop the american diet thing. If you don’t live here you don’t know shit and if you do you must not get out very much.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Folwart , it’s ridiculous, I did research it , it’s a scientific fact the body’s main source of fuel is carbs , not protein or fat ,as well as the brain, your thinking is nuts , don’t listen to some Dr.s nonsense they are clueless about basic nutrition , they, like all of you are forgetting about “basic” points of nutrition that you have to eat carbs with protein or you go into ketosis, and that you do not want. If you cut out or drasticly reduce carbs you won’t be healthy for long .

          • Folwart

            Well, I’ll be finding out first hand because I don’t accept the potentially lazy or biased science from people who may be or may not be in someone’s pocket. I consider my own ability to make a hypothesis and logically and rationally see it through to a result. It is not a scientific fact either, the jury is still out. Oddly there seems to be some ethical issue with carrying on a study with people over a decade in a locked down facility so their diets can be strictly regulated. The research needed hasn’t been done in this country. I’ve heard here-say that Russia may have conducted some on inmates but haven’t tried to verify.

            I remember the basic points of the food pyramid. Oddly I haven’t seen a food pyramid in some time. That is a guide also, not fact, not a solid spelled out diet plan. It is based on the assumption that since we don’t really know for sure a blamed diet is probably best and limiting fat since it’s fat should keep fat off and limiting sugar because it turns into fat and causes other problems should be limited. There’s not much solid anything aside from needing amounts of certain nutrients, minerals and a fuel, and of course water.

            Dig deeper. You have to approach things without the deeply ingrained stuff you learned when you were younger if you want to ever find the truth.

          • AnnieLaurie Burke

            Oh, but we have done controlled Human dietary studies (in the past) in the US that certainly wouldn’t pass an ethics committee today. They were done on prisoners or, more commonly, inmates in mental institutions. They confirmed that the modern myth of saturated fats being atherogenic, and veggie oils being better, was just that, a myth. The data from several of these studies were cherry-picked by the researchers that were pushing the “sat fat is bad” mantra. Recently the total data set was re-evaluated for two of these, the MCE and the Sydney study: http://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i1246. There were also some tests of keto or near-keto diets vs. high-carb diets, but haven’t had time to track down the citations.

          • Maria

            I know by repeated experience that carbs kill me. They do give me depression, headaches, constipation etc, even complex carbs. Only the low glycemic I can have in moderation. Brown rice in moderation etc
            BUT when I add the good fats to my breakfast I feel great, coconut oil, avocado, the omegas. One from sayid America call Sacha Inchi is amazing. All fat! Nuts are fat,mi do great on them.
            So….. I just listen to my body guys.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Maria , you just think carbs cause all these symptoms , complex has lots of fiber which helps you move your bowels , the body is set up for carbs a fact , the reason theirs so much depression is from lack of complex carbs they fuel the brain , everyone consumes white [ refined ] bread that’s not complex ., the brain is fueled by carbs it’s the opposite of what your saying . It’s very bad to go low carb.

          • carbs kill

            you’re an IDIOT

          • John Brailsford

            Low carb solved my weight problem and is keeping me healthy. Ketones are good for the brain. What did ancient man eat? Certainly not many carbohydrates.

          • Matthew Indigo Curtin

            Exactly!!!!

          • Nikki

            Your grammar is so bad I can’t take you seriously.
            I would also like to add that I do not experience mood swings, water retention, constipation, depression, or brain fog when I am in ketosis.
            We are all different, and this way of eating has been scientifically proven to be ideal for a lot of people that have what is described as an “upside down” metabolism.
            We are not ignorant. Everyone knows we should eat fruits and all kinds of vegetables, but if you are intolerant to them, just like those with lactose or gluten intolerances you feel better and your body behaves better without them.
            Don’t be a troll. Say your piece and move on.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Nonsense , a high fat or protein diet the[ American diet] is disastrous , leads to all kinds of health problems , heart attacks , cancer , kidney disease , gout, etc. It’s a scientific fact the body’s main source of fuel is carbs not protein or fat . Carbs are one of the” 3″ macro nutrients , how could one be bad ?, common sense would tell you, you need all 3 in the right balance . I can’t believe anyone thinks Ketosis is beneficial to one’s health , unbelievable . Smell your breath does it smell acidic then you know it’s bad . Grains are one of the most important foods they are the” staff of life” and the bible backs this up Zech 9 : 17[ NIV] bible . How could something” whole” be bad ridiculous. And my spelling is perfect grammar isn’t too bad , so my structure [ commas etc ] is a little bad so what, what’s important is the understanding , you will suffer if you stay in a Ketogenic state for long I promise you . There are exceptions like the Inuit who live in extreme cold that’s not you .

          • Janice

            Yes, eat your grains freshly picked! I have read the Bible many times over and there is no commandment we must eat bread. My bread of life is Jesus!! He is my first true love!!
            I should have had tons of diseases by now after 14 years of the diet you are posing is so dangerous!

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Janice , check out Eileen Lanes carbs – the bodies” main” source of fuel . They are one of the 3 macro – nutrients along with fat and protein , common sense would tell you to eliminate any of the 3 would be unwise . As she states when you do that it’s what’s called a fad diet . Grains are one of the 4 original food groups , how could a food group be bad for you . And what about the tried and true adage which makes sense to get all 6 essential nutrients eat from all 4 food groups .
            As for the bible, Christ ate bread all the time , he made his disciples fish and” bread” for breakfast go check on it . And what about Zech 9 : 17 and 1 Kgs 17 : all [ Ni]v bible . You better read your bible again . And quit worshipping Dr.’s they will ruin you Mk 5 : 26[ Ni]v bible.

          • AnnieLaurie Burke

            One should also note that the early biblical people were nomadic pastoralists, not farmers, and likely followed the relatively low-carb diet of most nomadic herding peoples.

          • Sean1978

            Exactly, I can’t handle most fruits and veggies but do fine with meats, he can’t seem to grasp that and everyone elses experience is nonsense. He made up his mind already and is close minded so it’s a waste of time really with him. who think all he says and googles is truth. I posted this for him. This is a fact.

            http://know-facts.com/about-carbohydrates.html

          • LS

            Bill, Bill, Bill…. there are good fats and bad fats. We all know that. There are good carbs and bad carbs. Some of us THINK we know that. But Bill, good carbs come from leafy greens, asparagus, cabbage, broccoli, etc… and all sorts of non-starchy veggies! THOSE are the real complex carbohydrates. Go to Nutritiondata.com and type in any kind of good-for-you veggie and you will see they are full of good carbs. Eating supposedly “good complex carbs” in breads, etc. never regulated my bowel movements like some good old fashioned veggies every day does!

          • Bill Pickersgill

            I can’t believe the ignorance concerning” basic” nutrition, it’s shocking, leafy greens, asparagus, etc are” not” complex carbs are you kidding?, fruits and veg are considered the Vit / min group . Whole grains and some beans are complex carbs this a “scientific” fact . Fruit is a” simple” carb and then you have refined carbs[ white] bread . Bread is so important that even when one of the” 3″ parts of the wheat kernel is taken out [ white] bread it’s better than no bread , as long as there are no chemicals and dough conditioners in it .The only bad fats are hydrogenated [ deep fried] . As far as bowel movements grains [ whole ] are fiber rich, the very thing that is great for bowel movements . Talk about good old fashioned, grains are the” staff of life” been around since the beginning Gen 42 : 1 , Gen 41 : 49 , Gen 47 : 16 [Niv] bible . Remember a” basic” nutritional principle or tenant is, you must eat complex carbs with protein to avoid an acidic blood Ph [ Ketosis] and a host of health problems , gout , arthritis , kidney problems bad breath [ acidy] etc . And that site like 85% that are online is terrible .

          • Janice

            Macadamia nuts and Avocados keep the bowels working just fine! As do other leafy greens, which have fiber in them. In fact, Avocados have soluble fiber tat keeps the arteries clean!

          • mensamom

            Our ancestors ate NO carbs and managed to evolve into modern man. Our original food consumption came from hunting/gathering. Do you really think the cavemen, our predecessors, ran into a wheat field and made bread and pasta to go with their meat? I’ve read all your rants about carbs being good for the brain and it boggles the mind. Recent data has convinced the medical community that carbs ARE BAD for us. Our bodies have become accustomed to the current diets of fast food, processed food, and GMO grains – not at all what we should be eating. ALL of our foods should be processed as little as possible to remain as close to the ground from which they came. The truth behind the obesity in the world is linked directly to SUGAR with a great deal of that coming from processed carbs. Doctors used to promote low fat diets in the 1970’s to combat obesity and the population has become fatter and fatter. To combat fat you must fight with fat – as in fight fire with fire. There are a couple of good TV doctors that are all in agreement that carbs should be limited if not eliminated altogether. I don’t know where you’re getting your information but it is seriously out of date.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Ridiculous , only a fool would believe anything they hear today especially from Dr. ‘s . You people don’t understand Dr.’s are not God they no nothing about” basic” nutrition . They blow it of and try to get real deep and complicated to impress everyone but it’s nonsense .
            The brain is fueled by carbs not fat wake up go check on it .
            Carbs are one of the 3 macro-nutrients common sense would tell you eliminating one isn’t balanced. That’s what’s called a fad diet .
            And your right everyone is eating processed carbs not whole grains .
            And the American diet is anything but low fat it’s lots of animal meats red and pork look at the results everyone is overweight and having heart attacks , no one’s eating whole grains fruit/ veg .
            The T. V. Dr.’s are terrible they butcher everything .
            Fat makes you fat a gram of fat has 9 calories to 4 for carbs, hello , you do not know what your talking about , you blindly follow Dr.’s which will ruin you , I guarantee it .

          • mensamom

            I’m exhausted! I should always remember what my Grandmother told me: “Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig”.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Grow up, you never addressed the points I made. Quit worshipping Dr.’s . The points I made are all facts like a gram of fat has 9 calories carbs 4 etc! .Go google the benefits of carbohydrates. As someone taught me eliminating anyone of the 3 macro- nutrIents constitutes a fad diet .

          • sue

            Exactly! I’ve only been reading this site and the comments for half an hour and it’s doing my head!
            I don’t know why someone would keep arguing(talking non-sense) like he’s going to convince everyone otherwise.
            Enjoy your bread Bill

          • mensamom

            At least you get it Sue!

          • AnnieLaurie Burke

            And without one single science-based citation!

          • AnnieLaurie Burke

            Bill, leafy greens and non-starchy vegetables, and even nuts, certainly do contain moderate to high amounts of complex carbs. Fiber is a complex carb, in both its soluble and insoluble forms. That’s just basic chemistry.

          • artemis6

            Do you KNOW who first designed the “food Pyramid”? Members of the food lobby were intimately involved in determining the makeup of the food pyramid. That is why so many are sick, it is NOT based on science , but corporate profits. Do not take my word for it. Read “the 100 year lie”, or use the google.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Artemis, it’s ridiculous to say it was a conspiracy . And like 85% on the internet is garbage .
            People are sick because their eating all wrong , high protein and fat [ meats] and all kinds of refined carbs , not whole grains[ carbs] and fruit / veg . Besides everyone has believed the lie carbs are bad for like the last 15 yrs. So a lot of people are or have been going low to no carb , and look at the results.

          • jgmurphy

            “Look at the results…” Of what? Of people going low carb for 2 weeks, deciding they miss bread and going right back to their same old diet? When you study people who have maintained and sustained a low carb diet you see incredible benefits. Wheat and carbs are poison to many of us. It’s just a fact.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            The fact is, “carbs are still the body’s main source of fuel” a scientific fact , and there are other grains like [ barley , rye , spelt , millet ] grains are the ” staff of life ” are you kidding. Don’t listen to the so – called experts they will ruin you especially Dr. ‘s . Mk 5 : 26 [ Niv] bible .

          • AnnieLaurie Burke

            Hmmm, Bill, I am confused by your posts. You keep exhorting us to “google” what you say, yet you tell us that 85% of what’s on the ‘net is garbage. Which is it? Will googling enlighten us, or will it fill our heads with garbage? Inquiring minds want to know.

          • Nancy Wilkerson

            He just keeps repeating the same garbage over and over and over….and over!! Makes me think of a t-shirt I wear…”I will try to be nicer if you stop being an idiot!!” NUF SAID!!

          • Nancy Wilkerson

            BTW, I am beginning the Keto diet, for natural treatment of Narcolepsy. And in case ur interested Bill Pickersgill, it has been proven by countless narcoleptics, many w/cataplexy, worldwide, to be the “be all to end all” diet for not only narcolepsy, but the cataplexy as well!! It is a proven fact over and over and over….and over!! Put that in ur pipe and smoke it won’t you!!

          • AnnieLaurie Burke

            Interestingly, Nancy, the keto diet is even being used (in combination with other modalities) to make some progress on intransigent cancers like gliobastoma multiforme. Keto allows radiation and/or chemo to work more effectively by limiting the dietary glucose available to the brain (and thus the tumor). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24728273
            I am thrilled that researchers are starting to get results with this form of brain cancer, although disappointed that it came 12 years too late for my dear husband of 37 years.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            I have to , hoping someone will wake up and get their head out off the Dr.’s ass. I can’t believe you fools think the grain industry paid the lobbist’s or whoever to make them a food group . How about science showing complex carbs are the body’s much preferred source of fuel which is what whole grains are . So many are sick from white bread ,not enough fruit/ veg , tap water , canola oil , deep fried food , eating an unclean mea [ the pig], too much red meat, watered down dairy products . I keep trying because I can’t believe you are this dumb.

          • AnnieLaurie Burke

            At least he is consistent. He does this on Kresser’s and other Paleo and HFLC-friendly blogs, too.

          • Sarah Gartin

            Nancy Wilkerson please email me, ketone.mama@gmail.com

          • Nancy Wilkerson

            Hi Sarah Gartin

          • erin b

            Narcissistic Personality Disorder(NPD) Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD).
            You are atypical. You want to be the center of this group, which you are opposed to on their main form of belief. You sought out this form knowing good and well you would receive the attention you seek.
            Get a life with like minded people and make yourself useful, productive and find your way in the world. Or seek professional help if you are incapable of doing so.
            NPD or HPD, these issues cause problems in relationships, social network and daily realization in all setting and activities.

          • AnnieLaurie Burke

            Bill, grains are not the fiber powerhouses they are rumored to be. Many non-starchy veggies, fruit and legumes are far better sources of fiber than grains. I liked Sarah Ballantyne’s take on fiber(paraphrased) : Eating whole grains to get more fiber in your diet is like eating more carrot cake to get more vegetables in your diet.

          • Ravyne Hawke

            I was being the good little diabetic, eating only vegetables and whole grains, not eating anything refined or considered junk food. I was also following the low fat recommendations of my nutritionist. Guess what? 1) my blood glucose levels were still out of control, 2) I couldn’t lose weight no matter how restrictive my caloric intake and exercise routines were and 3) I had horrible depression and brain fog. I’ve been on a low carb (less than 20 grams per day) healthy fats diet for 2 1/2 months now and 1) my blood glucose levels have come down (so has my A1c), 2) I’ve lost 20 lbs so far, and 3) I have ZERO depression and brain fog. The ONLY carbs that I eat are from non-starchy vegetables. I have increased my fat intake to about 80% of my caloric intake, I don’t count calories, and I keep my protein low to moderate. Any time I add just a few bits of carbs back into my diet, I immediately get tired and have brain fog. So you can go on for eternity about how our bodies NEED carbs, but I see the results of a low carb diet for myself and how it makes me feel. I will NEVER go back to eating complex carbs or processed carbs. Just give me a few veggies and I am a-ok!

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Ravyne, how could your blood glucose levels be high , unless your eating junk , like candy etc,?and you need” Whole” dairy , it’s very important actually helps to lose weight , go study it .And how could carbs be bad for the brain when it’s the primary source of fuel , makes no sense .You will actually get depressed on very low carbs . Vegetables don’t have carbs or aren’t considered a carb food . Your deceiving yourself into believing what’s wrong is true because of your pride , not wanting to admit what’s true 1 Cor 3 : 18 Niv bible .

          • John Brailsford

            Veggies are a good source of carbs to keep the intake level healthy without spiking blood sugar and ultimately damaging your pancreas.

          • Sean1978

            I can agree on this.

          • Enough with the Bible Verses….ugh

          • Bill Pickersgill

            It’s most important Jn 17 : 17 [ Niv] bible .

          • Miriam Geerlings-Heusschen

            Bill Pickersgill you are just taking the piss out of everybody here, I refuse to believe you are really this ignorant.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Why do you say I’m ignorant,? go google” body’s main source of fuel” , tell me what it say’s. Your deceived, believing a big lie, which will ruin you .

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            Bill, if I were to ‘google’, as you are so fond of turning a noun into an verb, chances are extraordinary that 99+% of the sources which come up, would all be kicking out knee jerk responses, even if they Dr Oz or WebMD, or other such insane health sources. Yes, the citric acid cycle is glucose based, No one is arguing that. But before acetylated CoA kicks in, the glucose molecules can come from anywhere, the body does’t care. In a traditional native diet, carb% are actually quite low, even if its POI (very high starch) based. Why? If one actually does a critical analysis at a REAL native diet, usually (not all the time, see the Masi tribe, i.g.) the fiber %s are also very high, thus increasing transit time and also dec’ing absorption. This are parts of the reason why the more herbivorous a animal’s diet becomes, the more they need to spend feeding, as the nutritional density dec’s. In all fairness, it’s extremely healthy, as eating the rainbow is a very good approach, but in requires an extraordinary amount of food. Add in meats, RAW WHOLE dairy, and fats, and this all changes.
            Now, if we can just keep bible thumping out of this discourse, I’m taking my ball and I’m going home. Rest well, be at peace, live in the moment, forgive and be thankful – to one and all.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Scott , it’s ridiculous , you blow of the” basic’s” of nutrition and go on and on with all this complicated nonsense to massage your ego . Reminds me of 1 Cor 8 : 1 [ Niv] bible .
            You must consume carbs with protein to keep from going into a Ketotic state which you do not want . Carbs are one of the 3 macro- nutrients , one of the 6 essential nutrients . Google Eilleen Lane and carbs . They have many important functions . Ketosis is an acidic blood Ph which you do not want , because alkaline is what’s needed. Almost all cancer shows an acidic blood Ph , a fact . What your espousing will ruin people’s health. I implore you to reconsider .

          • Shawna

            In order to achieve ketosis you have to limit both carbohydrates and protein while consuming primarily healthy fats. Too much protein will prevent ketosis.

            Carbs have many benefits but they are not essential. The body can use protein to make glucogen – Gluconeogenesis

            Ketones can be used by the body and brain as fuel. There’s some research now showing a ketogenic diet helps with dementia / alzheimers as the brain can no longer use glucose. Ketones, either from a ketogenic diet or from medium chain triglycerides, can keep the brain from starving and the disease from progressing.
            “Why does a ketogenic diet show promise? Research clearly establishes a strong link between blood sugar disorders and the various dementia stages, including memory loss, mild cognitive impairment (MCI), and Alzheimer’s. The most predominate blood sugar disorders are insulin resistance and diabetes. In fact, the link is so obvious some researchers have labeled Alzheimer ’s disease as “type 3 diabetes”.” http://universityhealthnews.com/daily/memory/ketogenic-diet-shows-promising-results-for-all-dementia-stages/

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            Shawna, you are right about everything. But you knew that. So, good for you. One of the great unknown secrets in Medicine is that certain ‘unnamed’ specialty cancer hospitals are are now, and have been for some years, using the ketogenic diet. Usually with significant increases in success. But ssshhhhh, we’re not supposed to know. I was never here.

          • Shawna

            LOL!! Thanks Dr. Einhorn. I’ll keep that secret safe, for now at least.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Shawna, your all mixed up, too much protein causes Ketosis [ an acidic blood Ph] which you do “not” want .Carbs are essential, that’s why they are one of the 6 essential nutrients .The brain is primarily fueled by carbs a fact .High protein 1] leeches calcium from the bones 2] is hard on the kidney’s 3 ] makes the blood Ph acidic instead of the desired alkaline . Don’t listen to what the researches say it’s all wrong . And yes Ketosis may help certain health maladies but it ruins other systems of the body ” the cure is worse than the disease “.

          • Shawna

            The ketogenic diet is a high FAT diet with moderate amounts of protein and low in carbs. The paleo diet is higher in protein, with moderate to higher fat and low carbs (at least starchy carbs).

            The brain is very efficient at using ketones as fuel.

            Although vegetables and small amounts of fruits are quite healthy, I doubt anyone here will dispute that, grains can be very problematic and as you said “ruins other systems”. The prolamin / lectin proteins in grains can be very damaging to many.

            Protein is actually not hard on the kidneys however if the kidneys are damaged protein will eventually need to be lowered to help with symptoms. Protein is associated with symptoms but not the damage done to the kidneys however gluten has been linked to IgA nephropathy.

            Acid / base balance has to do with the minerals we consume. If we are not getting adequate amounts of certain minerals from our diet we are more likely to be acidic. That’s why foods that are acidic, like lemons and limes, have an alkaline affect to the blood.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Shawna , I never said grains are bad . The body and brain are primarily fueled by carbs , there are exceptions to the rule . You will have brain fog etc going low to no carbs . High protein is hard on the kidneys that’s exactly why there is so much kidney disease in the U. S .
            We were meant to live of the land, plain and simple ,not animals, as the mainstay to eating . This is so simple, yet everyone wants to argue.
            Here’s 2 simple tests to see if your blood Ph is acidic1] smell your own breath does it smell acidic and 2] is your urine more a clear color or yellow .

          • Shawna

            Until you’ve tried it you really can’t make claims like “you will have brain fog etc….” I think you will find, if you actually open your mind and honestly evaluate results others are having with a paleo or ketogenic diet, that the opposite is very true. It was in my case. My energy went up, I lost weight effortlessly, my mind is very clear when eating these ways. By the way, my breath is not acidic and my urine is normal in color but I kinda merge HFLC and paleo to suit my specific needs. My plate is mostly low carb veggies with 2 to 4 ounces of grass fed meat and lots of fats — grass fed butter, avocados, olive oil and coconut oil. I use an olive oil based dressing (that I home make) on salads and veggies, I saute veggies (asparagus as an example) and meats in coconut oil or butter etc.

            The high protein causes kidney disease myth has been around for a long time but science doesn’t support this myth.

            I have to wonder if you are not misinterpreting what the paleo and ketogenic / HFLC diet really are? They are not a diet of strictly protein and fat with a small amount of carbs. Instead they limit starchy carbs and carbs with lectin and prolamin proteins (grains and legumes as an example). Non starchy vegetables are allowed as is low carb baked items (such as breaks made from coconut or almond meal-paleo)). Avocados are an excellent food for the diets and can be used to make dessert type dishes.

            Once again — yes, I will agree that your brain uses glucose for energy BUT it ALSO is very efficient at using ketones. Although not caused by protein, kidney disease is fairly prevalent however dementia related illness are far more prevalent.

            Ketoacidosis happens in insulin dependent diabetics when there isn’t enough insulin to stop the feedback system from producing ketones. This does not happen in non insulin dependent diabetics and folks without diabetes.

            Uhm clear urine is a sign that you are not concentrating your urine – the kidneys are not as efficient as they could be, you have diabetes or you are consuming large amounts of liquid/water could be reasons for clear urine.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Both ways are terrible science says so .The brain is not efficient at using ketones for fuel . Your blowing of basic nutritional science .

          • Shawna

            The science I read does not support your statement — a small sampling of the available research pulled from Google Scholar

            “These and other findings led Veech to designate ketone bodies as a “super fuel” [14].” http://nutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-7075-2-30

            “Surprisingly, D- β-hydroxybutyrate (abbreviated “βOHB”) may also provide a more efficient source of energy for brain per unit oxygen, supported by the same phenomenon noted in the isolated working perfused rat heart and in sperm. It has also been shown to decrease cell death in two human neuronal cultures, one a model of Alzheimer’s and the other of Parkinson’s disease. These observations raise the possibility that a number of neurologic disorders, genetic and acquired, might benefit by ketosis.” http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1080/152165401753311780/full

            “In the 1920s, a drastic “hyperketogenic” diet was found remarkably effective for treatment of drug-resistant epilepsy in children. In 1967, circulating ketones were discovered to replace glucose as the brain’s major fuel during the marked hyperketonemia of prolonged fasting. Until then, the adult human brain was thought to be entirely dependent upon glucose. During the 1990s, dietinduced hyperketonemia was found therapeutically effective for treatment of several rare genetic disorders involving impaired neuronal utilization of glucose or its metabolic products. Finally, growing evidence suggests that mitochondrial dysfunction and reduced bioenergetic efficiency occur in brains of patients with Parkinson’s disease (PD) and Alzheimer’s disease (AD). Because ketones are efficiently used by mitochondria for ATP generation and may also help protect vulnerable neurons from free radical damage, hyperketogenic diets should be evaluated for ability to benefit patients with PD, AD, and certain other neurodegenerative disorders.” http://nutritionreviews.oxfordjournals.org/content/61/10/327.abstract

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            William, yes, absolutely complex carbs have innumerable functions; eating the rainbow and all that. Exceedingly impt. Once again, and I will not rep[eat this. ketosis does NOT generate acidic blood. You are thinking of KETOACIDOSIS. a different beastie altogether. Stop imploring me. ok. Please William, pull yourself together. You may very well be a good guy and a gentleman, but we on this list will never know it per what we are all reading. And please don’t respond to this, it’s not necessary for me certainly. and will likely not move this discourse forward.
            Courage, my man, courage.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Scott, It’s irrelevant what type of Ketosis the whole point is it’s low to no carb which will make the blood Ph acidic . That’s the whole point of ketosis. You must consume carbs with either of the other 2 macro- nutrients or you will eventually go into Ketosis .
            What about the 2 simple tests 1] smelling your own breath 2] urine color .
            Wouldn’t common sense tell you eliminating or greatly restricting one of the 3 macro- nutrients be unhealthy . Eillen Lane taught me that is what is called a fad diet.

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            Bill IS this ignorant (lack of knowledge) , Everyone needs to just let him be, and go his own way.

          • William Tillis

            The bible also warns against bearing false witness. Unless you have proven scientifically, what you are espousing, you are stating your or others opinions as fact. People may depend on what you say. Be sure that you are committed to the latest best information available lest you mislead someone into health problems, when the opposite is apparently what you are trying to do.

          • Hellen Siemens

            How about listening to someone who has finally gotten their health back in order after having changed their diet in this direction! I had tried all kinds of diets to deal with my diabetes. I even went to my Doctor and in one year did 4 different tests over three months each. I ate 4 different diets and had blood work done before/ after each one of these. I did not tell my doctor which one of these particular diets I was on. After I had done the one that was closest to the Ketogenic diet she was amazed and told me to keep doing what ever it was that I was doing. THis kind of eating has gotten me off the metformin ( oral diabetes medication) after 10 years on medicine I am totally off medicine for this issues with my blood sugar in the normal range. Before I was eating lots of very good veggies but still not bread and pasta. The carb content was still too high for my blood sugar to tolerate.
            Just listen without being so stubborn in your opinion. I love the bible but find your using it out of contest as a weapon rather distasteful. You might actually really learn something new if you don’t chose to be so closed minded.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Helen , complex carbs do not raise blood sugar abnormally or rapidly , they have naturally occuring sugar , it’s not the same as a candy bar , which no one seems to understand . And Dr.’s for the most part are terrible ,stay away from them, they butcher nutrition and will cause you great health problems Mk 5 : 26 [ Niv] bible .

            And my points are facts not opinions like the body’s main source of fuel is carbs not protein or fat . People think Dr.’s are God and automatically believe whatever they say which is foolish and will ruin you . They no nothing about basic nutrition , they dismiss it because it’s simple and they want to make everything real deep to impress people 1 Cor 8 : 1 Niv bible .

            I warn you Ketosis is what you want to avoid not go into , an acidic blood Ph is bad, leads to all kinds of health problems [ gout , kidney problems , arthritis ] .

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            Bill, well, you have finally gone and dug your own grave now. You have confused thr terms that all persons who have only a a mediocre grasp of biochemisty, do. Ketosis is NOT! ketoacidosis. Ketosis will NOT acidify the blood.

          • shirleycolee

            Thanks for the post. My husband’s diabetic and we’ve found the exact same thing to be true. Good for you! Keep at it. Besides Dr. Perlmutter’s books, there’s a good book by a cardiologist, The Protein Power Lifeplan, that we used to help lower my husband’s blood sugar and improve his health. Reducing carbs dramatically, moderate protein and healthy fats is the way to health. It’s a permanent solution.

          • JC Smith

            Let me share this, my husband is type 1 diabetic and he is on this plan and it is amazing.- http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/treatment-for-diabetes.html

          • cis

            Good that you are getting those results.
            From the research I have seen, the problem with ketogenic and low-carb diets seems to be that they seem to be difficult to maintain long-term.
            Also, from a personal perspective, I like to see what worked in people who achieved old age in great condition, ideally related to me. My greatgrandma who died at 98 from “old age” (according to her death certificate) when she “decided to go” (after announcing this) and had no cardiovascular disease/metabolic disease (not even hypertension) and was perfectly lucid and productive until then (still walking one hour a day, playing the piano, reading books and writing letters in several languages and painting, her bedroom was on the first floor so she would do the stairs a few times a day)… well, she actually ate no sugar / cakes / biscuits / ice cream but did eat tiny amounts of fruit and mostly wholesome fresh, local food supplemented by small amounts of pasta and artisan bread from what I remember (I was a child). I also didn’t notice any high amount of fat added on purpose, except the usual extra virgin olive oil. So I would suggest that she was not keto, I remember she told me she ate in accordance with the “Heart Patient’s Diet” in its original incarnation (out of habit as her husband had been a heart disease patient). It certainly worked for her.

            Hope this is useful.

          • Kathleen Iselin

            Please make sure you go to http://www.happyhealthyhealinglife.com, and familiarize yourself on Facebook, with Aimee Perrin…..she’s been eating HFLC for quite awhile, and is a success story worth knowing about…..: )

          • RedCandy

            @Bill Pickersgill…I just found this and I know this is an old post, but wow, you have bad information. You demonstrate limited education in biochemistry, physiology, as well as the latest science. If you did, you would understand that ketones are the body’s other fuel source and the brain actually prefers them. That’s why ketogenic diets are used in treating diseases such as epilepsy, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, insulin resistance, cancer, etc. You can’t spell or write very well either so you have little to no credibility. Also, there is no medical term called “sugar diabetes”. If you can understand very technical medical jargon, read the book “Good Calories, Bad Calories” by Gary Taubes, there is myriad research studies cited that will help you understand real science.

          • mel

            When I was a kid, we raised hundreds and hundreds of hogs. They were fed 10 tons of Kellogg cereal a week. A lot of corn flakes, raisin bran, Special-K and pink flour. I used to dig in the truck load for the cereal box toy prizes. Those pigs really grew fast and got nice and fat on the stuff. I don’t think they lived long enough to get diabetes or other health problems. Would their diet qualify as a low fat diet? It would have been interesting to have taken blood test to study the health affects of the diet.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Mel , all grains are low in fat so yes it would qualify as a low fat diet . When anyone takes in more calories than they burn up they will get fat , . whether it’s from a low fat diet or not . I will say this it’s easier to keep your weight or “not” gain weight [ fat] when you eat a low fat diet eschewing animal meats [ red and pork ] definitely . Take care and may the God of Christ bless you and keep you from any violence .

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            Bill, Bill Bill, seriously, your ‘science’ is from the dark ages of nutritional biochemistry (30 years ago). Seriously now, get current. Don’t bring a knife to a gunfight, you will lose every time. I tell yo this for your own good.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            O yea, just because something’s old doesn’t mean it has no relevance . What you hear today is nonsense, there is no truth out there today as a great man of God predicted for our modern times Isa 59 : 15 [Niv] bible .
            It’s like you all want to change basic scientific facts because you want something new and exciting and real complicated . Einstein said” keep it simple” .I love this saying ” if it’s new it can’t be true , and if it’s true it’s not new . [ LOL.]. No offense , but Dr.’s are the worst they can’t get anything right . They misdiagnose like 85% of the time . You got to love Mk 5 : 26 [ Niv] bible .

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            Bill, as Darth states below, the biochem. of fat production is UNRELATED to fat ingestion. Just as cholesterol is similarly unrelated.
            The circle revolves around simple carbs and the open floodgates of INSULIN, with the resultant reactions of leptin, grehlin, etc, sensitive to insulin levels. This is textbook stuff. No mysteries here.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Your right mainstream , government cares about money not your health 1 Tim 6 : 10 Niv bible .

          • furbals

            you have no credibility using a book of myth as your reference

          • BrutalPatriot

            It isn’t a book of myth, a little research demonstrates that. However, you must have faith God was the cause of all the events.

            And this moron keeps quoting irrelevant scripture out of context proving he is incapable of reading comprehension and nothing more than a troll.

          • Folwart

            Further along with my experiment I’ve bounced back and forth again. Now when I go back to carbs I can see and feel the difference. They still taste good, but my brain is slowly adapting to the idea that this is yet one more category in which the juice is not worth the squeeze.

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            Darth, be nice now. This is a professional blog. Points can be effectively made without resorting to base language. I like cursing as much as the next guy, but this is not the place. ok?

          • Darth Folwart

            Sure thing. The post has been corrected.

          • Tom

            you clearly have not researched the science behind why ketosis works. the american diet is not ketogenic, it is just composed of a lot of fat and protein. a ketogenic diet is one where the diet gives the body no choice but to produce ketones to satisfy energy demands. This is only achieved through a lack of carbohydrates which would be broken down into glucose. A ketogenic diet is also a high fat and Moderate Protein diet. Too much protein will kick someone out of a ketogenic state since the body can manufacture glucose from protein. Also high fat does not lead to heart attacks, this has been corroborated by several studies. It has however, been proven that a high carbohydrate diet coupled with high fat creates high blood fat levels. those studied on a ketogenic diet lowered total blood fat to optimal levels. By the way, you dont have to read any studies, simply go on you tube where Doctors (not opinionated uneducated assholes like you) specifically those that specialize in diabetes (blood sugar, etc) explain the science as well as cite all the studies that have been performed.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Tom, , carbs are the body’s main source of fuel I can’t believe you can’t understand this, it’s one of the” 3 “macronutrients , common sense tells you, you need all” 3″ . High fat causes heart attacks it clogs the arteries , , and u tube is a joke 97 % of it is nonsense that a fool like you would believe . Carbs are one of the” 6 “essential nutrients , essential means u need it !!! hello, there is no truth out here today Isa 59 : 15 Niv bible .Dr. are terrible they will ruin u don’t listen to anything they say Mk 5 : 26 Niv bible .Ketogenic is what u don’t want an acidic blood Ph is no good , u will suffer if you stay on it .

          • Guy

            There are no essential carbs Bill, do your research!

          • Sean1978

            For some reason he can’t do that.

            http://know-facts.com/about-carbohydrates.html

          • Eric Eubanks

            Just keep drinking the kool-aid, dude! Who do you think owns the publishing companies that pump that so called knowledge into your well studied brain? You choose to believe that you ‘know’ because youve spent countless hours ingesting the indoctrination but if you want “knowledge”, if you want the “truth” you have to set up the experiment yourself or read the many studies that present sound arguments for the keto approach and then find a way to reconcile the data or delete it from your world view. Believe me, I know how scary it is to overcome cognitive dissonance and how destabilizing it is to begin seeing the difference between knowledge and belief. Your choice, but when you insult people because you think YOU ‘know’ remember that wisdom is almost ALWAYS SILENT. I doubt any will ever come your way in such an accessible way as this…goodluck.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Eric , my health is perfect at almost 60yrs of age , eating high carb , med to low protein, low fat , it’s unbelievable that you think ketosis is a good thing , I’m going by” facts” carbs” are the body’s main source of fuel , and the brain is fueled by carbs, there is no way around it, go online and see for yourself. What are you talking about publishing Co. Your thinking is all screwed up that everthing’s a conspiracy. and , you’re deceiving yourself into believing something bad is good . Mark my words you will suffer if you stay on a low to no carb way , it’s just common sense . You all remind me of 11 Tim 3 : 7 Niv bible .

          • Eric Eubanks

            I see. Ok, thank you.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Why would the publishing Co.be paid of to say carbs are the body’s main source of fuel ,these are scientific nutritional facts of about like hundreds of years , what are you talking about it’s nuts .

          • Eva

            Maybe a course in basic physiology would convince you to pay heed to the advice in this forum. You are right that glycogen (a form of glucose) is the preferred source of energy to the body and the brain, however you are exceptionally wrong in your blinkered, one sided, indoctrinated, archaic and hypocritical view of nutrition. It would also be good to remember or learn that there is not one size fits all solution to diet or lifestyle that is applicable across the board to everyone. We have individual and unique DNA, meaning that we are all different from each other. You keep eating your high carb diet, which is probably the right option for you, but please spare us from your preachings of it being the best fit to all of us. By the way: there is no essential carbs, but there is essential fatty acids (fats) and essential amino acids (protein) without which we would all perish like the dinosaurs. Respecting other people’s opinions would allow you some anger management rather than being exceptionally insulting with the back-up of your non-existent google pals. Just a thought!

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Eva, carbs are one of the” 6″ essential nutrients, I just went to the link , you have to put it into your diet, the body needs it , it doesn’t produce carbs on it’s own , essential means you must get it into your diet, does it not ?. And yes there are exceptions but for the overwhelming majority carbs are most important. When you go to a Dr.’s office which I wouldn’t Mk 5 : 26 niv bible , there ‘s an anatomy chart basic for everyone not a different one for each person .And your comment on respecting others opinions I don’t understand , I keep pointing out basic nutritional facts and everyone gets real angry at me for it , it’s not about respecting others opinions it’s about proper knowledge or understanding , which without it will ruin you . I am trying to get some of you to realize ketosis is not good for one’s optimal health , that’s my motive , not to argue .

          • John Brailsford

            Okay Bill, maybe you need to widen your understanding. I agree that not many Drs are up to the job

            and just want to write prescriptions which finance the Pharma. Industry. Many of your information about nutrition is incorrect and/or based on nutriments found before the introduction of gmo crops or hybridization such has happened with wheat. Do you eat Emmer or Einkorn? Maybe you should?

          • John Brailsford

            Eric, keep carbs to 50 grams/day. Fat is also a good source of energy provided it is not from hydrogenized veggie oils.

          • John Brailsford

            Eric, you are doing the right thing.

          • Roc Byrd

            Mr. Bill, The US diet is hugely carbs. Type II diabetes is not epidemic because protein is so predominant in the US diet. And the heart disease is an inflammatory event caused more from high glucose and gluten than fats. You certainly understand that cholesterol plaques are the result of inflammatory reactions that are “patched”. The issue is not the level of cholesterol but more the level of vascular wall inflammation. Besides, the liver will create more cholesterol in response to elevated insulin. It’s a stress reaction. So adrenaline and high carb diet will increase blood sugar leading to insulin reaction and consequent cholesterol production and blood sugar crash. Also, that is a gross misapplication of scripture and quite taken out of context. It is inappropriate to use scripture outside of its context and intent. The Bible is Truth, but not when it is used inappropriately and taken out of context to promote an agenda or ideal. If you want a pretty good book regarding health and scripture where the context is taken into account, Russell wrote “What the Bible Says about Healthy Living.” No agenda apart from an honest inquisition of Scripture paired with current research.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Roc, the US diet is lots of refined carbs [ candy, pop, doughnuts , cakes, cookies , pastries etc , not complex carbs[ whole ] grains . And your right, protein doesn’t cause diabetes, the above list of refined carbs does , their full of sugar , that is what causes” SUGAR” diabetes. Heart disease is caused by a high fat diet the American diet [ red meat , hamburgers , steak and pork [ lunchmeats , sausage , ham, bacon ] which clogs the arteries, not inflammation . Look at people who have heart surgery when they are opened up their arteries are clogs from too much fat , where does every one get it’s inflammation. And not sure which scripture, I think you mean Mk 5 : 26 , no, I implore you stay away from Dr. they will ruin you especially when it comes to diagnosis and treatment as that scripture clearly shows , it’s in their for a reason .

          • John Brailsford

            Bill, the sugar comes from the breakdown of the carbohydrates not from the sugar on the doughnuts. So it is the same from white bread or full corn bread. Hydrogenated vegetable oils have a lot to do with clogged arteries and not the input of meat. That said, there needs to be a balance between meat and veggies to balance the acid and alkali components.

          • jgmurphy

            You are quoting a lot of sloppy, junk science from the past 60 years that has been thoroughly debunked. Consider: Fat has been a major part of the human diet for centuries, yet heart disease was incredibly rare until the mid-1920’s—coincidentally (or not coincidentally) just around the time refined sugar became a regular, cheap part of the national food supply. And fat in the arteries is not directly correlated to fat in the diet. They have done hundreds of studies to try to make a direct link, and it is not possible. Fat in the arteries that clogs the passageways and causes heart disease has no direct link to dietary fat. Today, most scinetists admit that saturated fat has been demonized unnecessarily.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Why do country’s that consume” no animal fat” [ meats] have” no “heart disease . Look at the 7th day Adventist etc or vegans for that matter ,heart problems are unheard of , explain that to me .
            In the bible people rarely ate red meat , pork, because they had to prepare it themselves there was no processing plants , how much red meat and pork would you eat if you had to go out kill the animal yourself and prepare it ?. and heart disease was unheard of .
            Nothing I stated has been debunked that’s nonsense. Just because something was understood in times past doesn’t mean it’s still not true understanding today . Don’t believe much of anything you hear today it’s wrong there is no truth out there today as was prophesied by a great prophet of God for our modern times Isa 59 : 15 [Niv] bible .
            Refined sugar causes” sugar” diabetes, a high fat [ saturated] diet clogs the arteries . Their are millions of study’s showing you can reverse heart disease with whole grains,fruit/ veg, and cutting out meat .
            You can’t be serious saying fat in the diet doesn’t correlate to fat in the arteries ?.
            And heart disease is epidemic in the U . S . were we consume tons of red meat and pork , and very little whole grains and fruit / veg . You have it all backwards , anyone who stays in a Ketotic state for long will end up with serious health problems , unless you are the exception to the rule. It’s simple ketosis makes the blood Ph acidic[ which you do not want] unless your living in extreme cold, [ Eskimos] not alkaline, and will ruin your health in time .
            Please don’t tell me about Dr.’s and scientists they can’t get anything right . Fat makes you fat, along with tons of refined carbs .

          • Elizma Lambert

            A ketogenic diet is not high protein. It is high fat, moderate protein, low carb. American diets are high carb, high protein and high hydrogenated fats (which the body can’t break down for energy). Not even close to ketogenic. Too much protein is also converted to glucose and you end up with the same problems. If you look at the lastest research you will see that the brain is fueled on glucose AND ketones. As mentioned, the glycerol component of fats can be turned into glucose. I had the sharpest memory and was running 3:45 min/km half-marathons when I was on ketogenic diet.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Elizma, a high fat diet is deadly period , the body’s main source of fuel is carbs go google it . The Atkins way is high fat , high protein terrible .

          • Elizma Lambert

            The Atkins diet failed many because it was high protein. In this instance protein will break down into glucose and you’re right, the combination of high glucose and high fat IS deadly, which is why when you are embarking on a ketogenic diet it needs to be done properly (or not at all) and in certain individuals such as with type 1 diabetics needs to be very carefully supervised. It’s not for everyone, I agree. The limited carbs you are taking in needs to be good quality (such as greens). We’re not going to agree, and that’s OK. I just wanted to clarify between a true ketogenic diet and the american or atkins diet for that matter.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Elizma, You can’t have high fat it clogs the arteries which is what the American diet is[ pork and red meat ] along with high protein . And greens are not carbs complex carbs are grains [ bread] and beans [ legumes ].

          • John Brailsford

            Ketosis is very healthy Elizma, don´t let Bill tell you any different. Checkout books byEric Westermann, Stephen Phinney & Jeff Volek.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            John , ketosis is not healthy you will pay the price if you stay on low to no carbs ,” science” say’s so . How can what the body is set up for be bad , smell your own breath, if it smells acidic it’s a sign your blood Ph is too acidic , which will lead to health problems . There is no truth out their it’s mostly lies which will ruin you if you follow it 11 Thess 2 : 10[ NIV] bible .

          • John Brailsford

            The brain can be fueled by Ketones. In fact there have been cures for various diseases like epilepsy using a ketogenic diet which go back 100 years of more.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Yeah, it can cure some health maladies , but it will ruin other organs much like conventional medicines. As the saying goes” The cure is worse than the disease.”

          • Sean1978

            Exactly! This guy just doesn’t seem to get it. He has no open mind like I said and is closed to his GOOGLE searches and who he has talked to that did bad LC. I know a family ZC and have been for years, a few others as well who eat no carbs at all for years on end and health is better than ever! THIS guy though won’t accept that and he is right. Keep doing what you are doing and ignore him, he is obviously lost and can’t accept the fact there is no needed carbs essential to the human DIET! FACT.

          • tonibark

            the brain prefers to be run on ketones. it also runs better.
            once there are adequate ketones, it is no longer fueled primarily by glucose. the above writer, does not understand ketoadaptation.
            fats are not converted to glucose, only carbs and protein can be converted to glucose. However, saturated fats are converted to ketones which do fuel the brain and do a better job than carbs since there is little variation in availability. more steady and fats are also a more efficient fuel with less oxygen species for oxidative damage.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            tonibark, the brain is” not “set up to best run on ketones , your deceiving yourself into believing what’s not true . A high fat way is terrible, like the Atkins diet , this is so simple, why do you all want to make it so complicated ?,1 Cor 8 : 1[ Niv] bible . As Einstein said ” keep it simple .” A high fat or protein way makes the blood Ph acidic you do not want this , you want an alkaline blood Ph Go check on or google” what is the brains main source of fuel” , how hard is this , then why do you want to say the opposite of what’s not true?.

          • John Brailsford

            Fat is healthy and does not make fat so long as it is the right kind of fat, ie not from vegetables and hydrogenated.

          • Elizabeth Lavet

            I understand what you are getting at but I will also put out a warning, if you all increase your fat thinking you will go ketogenic (burn ketones from fat instead of glucose from carbs and proteins) and do not reduce all your carbs to healthy low carb vegetables you will likely gain more weight. I just could not give up Dr. Pepper, but increased by green leafy veggies, broccoli and slathered them with lemon and butter thinking this would help me give up my Dr. Peppers. I gained weight rapidly and in places on my body I had never before. A normal healthy diet needs healthy fats, period, but don’t go over board unless you are ready to really go ketogenic and cut out the high carb refined products. Recommended fats on a ketogenic diet can be olive oil, grass fed organic butter, grease from grass feed beef etc., oily fish, nuts, avocados, coconut oil, (some say no dairy). They do not recommend corn oil, safflower oil, canola oil, or other oils high in omega 6 and 9.

          • erin b

            …wonderful taught!
            Thank you!

          • JC Smith

            Bang Head Here!!!! We hear you… and we don’t care!

          • Janice

            First of all, our “American diet” has been killing us! They eat bad carbs, think hot dogs on rolls or bacon and eggs with toast, and a hamburger on a roll with mayo. This combination is deadly!! Carbs including starchy veggies and grains turn into sugar in our bodies. Too much Sugar and insulin running through our blood vessels cause inflammation of the arteries and raises Triglyceride, which are really bad. The inflamed arteries then attract the bad cholesterol in our blood, which causes the build up and causes heat attacks and stroke. Stress also, causes inflammation, adding to the problem. It is biological fact and science behind the way our bodies work! You can be vegan and be in ketosis, too. Just eat nuts and seeds, especially macadamia nuts and some avocados, and a cup of arugula, etc just keep the fat high. Good fats, non hydrogenated, Olive oil, butter, nut butters, etc. FYI -I started on Atkins 14 years ago when I was 32 and maintained my appropriate body weight and my cholesterol is wonderful! My triglycerides fell to 46, my total cholesterol has been around 150. the bad chol is lower and the good cholesterol in hi. I regularly eat eggs, bacon and beef -Grass-fed and no hormone or antibiotic! But I never eat bread or grains or starchy veggies. only above ground veggies like spinach and broccoli. Sprouted veggies (sunflower seeds and broccoli)
            are a power house full of good micro-dence nutrients! So Adkins is wonderful!! The way we should eat! I should have high blood pressure and hi cholesterol like my mom had by my age of 46. She is 75 and just had open heart surgery for many blocked arteries, had mini strokes and obese from the “American diet!”

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Janice , complex carbs have naturally occurring sugar it’s not the same as a candy bar, or pop , doughnuts etc . And you are now at the age were you will suffer the consequences of an acidic blood Ph , when your young the body can take a lot of abuse . Do this test , Smell your own breath, does it smell acidic ?., Then common sense would tell you that’s not good . You have to eat carbs with protein or you go into Ketosis which is exactly what you do not want . There are exceptions to the rule [ Eskimos] who need a high fat , protein diet but you can never make an argument using exceptions to the rule .
            A high fat diet causes heart attacks not inflammation . The sugar in whole grains is released slowly and is turned into glucose which is what the body needs every cell .
            And your mom was eating lots of red meat and pork that’s why she had blocked arteries , they are high in fat [ saturated] the American diet along with refined carbs .
            And you do not want to eat the pig it’s an unclean animal that’s why there is so much stomach , colon, rectal, cancers .
            Atkins is terrible , look at how he ended up .

          • erin b

            Native American Indians ate what they called guts and grease, hmmm North American indigenous, that thrived on fat from animals and avoided things like lean rabbits. Study man , study. Look through true studies, educate yourself. You are coming off really poorly here and looking ignorant.

          • William Tillis

            The “rule” you refer to has been proven to be incorrect. What you are referring to is the Framingham study. There have been many studies examining the results and the data as well as the conclusions drawn. The scientists involved started the study with the pretext that fat is bad and in spite of evidence to the contrary, concluded that they were right fat is bad. In addition, many peoples have been studied around the world, supporting the conclusion that fat is good for you. Olive oil, coconut oil, butter, avocado oil and some nut oils. Your concern for others health and their understanding is admirable, however, your research folder needs to be kept up to date.

          • erin b

            Amazing how every baby nursed by it’s mother is in ketosis and growing and thriving in a ketogenic state….the perfect unblemish brain.
            A man quoting the bible (named after a pagan goddess) in the same sentence as Einstein, truly laughable.

          • CommonCents

            good fats do not clog arteries. inflammation of arteries traps cholesterol.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            CC, your right , there are 3 types of fats mono, poly, and saturated , all are good, hydrogenated is real bad from” deep” fried foods . Arteries get clogged from too much” saturated” fat from too much red meat [ steak , hamburgers, roastbeef, and pork [ all lunch meats , ham , bacon , sausage] the American diet . Cholesterol has no bearing on heart attacks, go check it , LDL , and HDL is what’s important.

          • Robert Sykes

            The body has two energy sources, glucose (carbs, which require insulin to utilize) and ketones (which can be used directly). Ketones can readily pass through the body/brain barrier and used by the brain without further processing; glucose can not. Both energy sources are important and speak volumes about the wondrous mechanism the human body is.
            For a great many, carbs (i.e., glucose) is indeed the primary energy source, but that is by choice and that alone does not make it a good choice. Many of those who make carbs their primary energy source, consume way too many carbs and become insulin resistant, at which time the body can no longer utilize the carbs, and their bodies suffer extensive damage, particularly the brain which can literally starve to death. But when in an insulin resistant state, the body can still utilize ketones for energy and the ketones pass readily through the brain barrier to provide a starving brain with the energy it needs. The body’s ability to store fat provides an energy reserve for extended periods when normal food sources may not be available, and at those times the body can and will convert its fat stores to ketones and use the ketones directly as its primary and only source of energy.
            More and more the thinking is that virtually all brain disorders are a result of insulin resistance, i.e., excess carbs and/or insufficient exercise. Many doctors are even beginning to refer to it as diabetes III. They have recently discovered that the brain also produces insulin, but when the body becomes insulin resistant, the brain actually produces less insulin which aggravates the problem and the brain starves, because it is unable to utilize glucose in that state.
            However, since the body does have two energy sources, glucose (which requires insulin) and ketones (which can be used directly), there is a way to avoid continuing damage from carbohydrate abuse and insulin resistance. Ketones can readily pass through the body/brain barrier and be used by the brain without further processing; glucose can not. Also, ketones can be made available without being in ketosis, hence the use of coconut oil. Cocoanut oil is an excellent source of ketones and taking three teaspoons a day can provide a starving brain with the energy it needs.
            A big concern with ketones and ketosis is that many do not understand what is taking place. To convert fat or fat deposits to ketones, the body must be in a state of ketosis, and this requires a daily carbohydrate intake of less than approximately 64 carbs. You should constantly monitor this using ketone testing strips to assure that you are in ketosis and that you stay in ketosis. If you simply lower your carb intake significantly, but do not go into ketosis, then your body will not be getting the energy it needs and you will feel rotten, with a host of ailments. In this situation, you will not be producing ketones and will not be getting sufficient carbs, so neither of the body’s two energy sources will be working properly and you risk serious damage to your health.
            The ketosis diet has been around for many years and when properly monitored, no problems with it have ever been reported.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Robert, the body does” not” have 2 sources of energy, glucose is what is needed by all cells of the body and it comes from carbs not fat or protein . Ketosis is when you restrict the body’s main source of fuel carbs it then burns fat for energy which you do not want unless your in like extreme cold , the Inuit etc .

            You do not want the body to burn fat for energy for very long it has to if you restrict carbs . If carbs are the primary source of energy how could you reason it’s okay to eliminate or restrict it .

            You said for many it’s by choice to burn carbs for energy , no , it’s a scientific fact the body is set up for carbs converted to glucose not some choice . Carbs are the body’s primary energy source , it’s very bad to eliminate or greatly reduce them .

            It’s like if you lose power in your home you have a generator to back up but you can’t run it for long it’s only for short duration.

            People become insulin resistant when they consume too much refined carbs which burns out the pancreas which produces insulin, plain and simple .
            The American diet is high protein and fat [ meats] that is why there is so much gout, arthritis etc , you do not want to be in ketosis, too may carbs[ refined] causes diabetes . You must eat carbs[ complex] with protein or you go into ketosis which is real bad , Dr’;s no nothing they will screw you up stay away from them diagnosing and treating you.

            Hear is how you know if your in ketosis does your breath smell acidic , it’s that simple , which is” no good” , and it will, if you eat protein without carbs [ grains, fruit ] .

          • Robert Sykes

            Everyone has the right to construct their own opinions, right or wrong, but you do not have the right to construct your own “facts,” and most of what you have been espousing are a lot of erroneous opinions about the facts; but they are definitely not the facts, which are far different from what you present them as.

            For one who speaks often of “scientific fact,” you clearly have very little exposure to real scientific facts and little if any contact with real science.

            Ketones are indeed a real and significant energy source for the human body and that is a scientific fact that has been known for many, many years during which time it has been discussed at length in many scientific articles and books.

            I don’t know where you have been living all that time, but your education obviously has a great many deficits. Try reading a few recently published scientific articles and bring your meager knowledge base up to date. There have been a lot of wondrous scientific discoveries, before and during your lifetime, that you seem to be completely oblivious to. What a shame.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Robert , the body’s main source of fuel is carbs go google it , how hard is this . So how can you say what I’m saying is not factual ?.
            I’m not constructing anything of my own opinion .
            What you hear today is bullshit pure and simple . Quit worshipping Perlmutter he’s all wrong , ketosis is terrible , science say’s you need an alkaline blood Ph not acidic which is what Ketosis is .
            Dr.s are terrible, they don’t have a clue what they are talking about , if you listen to them you will suffer Mk 5 : 26[ Ni]v bible .

          • Rosie

            “Google it” doesn’t fly…. you said yourself that 85% on Internet is false.
            Please cite your sources…..google is a search engine. Please cite scientific documents, not including textbooks that are 50 years old.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Rosie, just because understanding is old doesn’t mean it’s not still valid . How about the law of gravity it’s still valid century’s later .These Dr.’s are wrong if you follow them like most everyone else Matt 7 : 13 [Niv] bible on this site you will ruin your health .There’s a saying which is so true ” if it’s new it can’t be true and if it’s true it ‘s not new “. What about the most recent study it just came out this month of July about the benefits of whole grains , which are carbs .

          • Rosie

            Cite that source….which study? Where did you hear this? I actually read these studies… the abstractts and deeper if available. I don’t go off TV sound bites…..I research everything … 20 people doing something for 10 days is not a valid study. Who funded your “grain is good” study? Was it objective….. if someone can tolerate whole grains, more power to them, but I have lived with minimal grains for 2 years, never been in better health. Why would you want me to revert? My last doctors visit deemed me “not even pre-diabetic”…I have 4-5 blood labs over 2 years that prove this is how I must eat. Grains make many of us ravenous and therefore, gluttonous (Wow!!!! What is the root to that word?!)…..isn’t gluttony one of the Seven Deadly Sins?
            Why would you encourage people to do something that might be detrimental to their health….. what is your authority?

          • jbobsmith

            Trying to explain anything to this fool (Bill Pickersgill) is like trying to explain it to a monkey. All you will do is irritate the monkey, and all the monkey will do is fling his shit at you….

          • JC Smith

            PLEASE BILL – LET IT GO!!! We’ve heard you the other dozen times you’ve said the same thing. I personally love the Keto Diet and so does my Type 1 Diabetic husband.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Yeah , and it still doesn’t sink in, unbelievable . It’s not about what you love but what’s best .
            I tried .
            .

          • Lisa Lauenberg

            The Standard American Diet is NOT ketogenic. What’s available in American is High fat, HIGH Carb, and THAT combination is deadly, but it’s not the FAT that is the problem.

            Ketogenic is High Fat, LOW Carb.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Lisa , Ketogenic is high protein, low carb . And if the high protein is red meat and pork then it’s also high fat too . Look ,since about the last 15 yrs it came out carbs are no good , right ?. You can’t eat a fish sandwich because the bun is no good . So everyone eats the fish without the bun , unbelievable . Carbs are one of the” 3″ macro nutrients , as Eilleen Lane [ carbs] said, eliminating one of the 3 macro – nutrients is the definition of a fad diet , common sense . How could eliminating one be a good thing ?, wouldn’t common sense tell you , you need all 3 in the right proportion ?.
            A high fat [ saturated ] causes heart attacks , that’s why when they do open heart surgery the arteries are clogged with plaque. The American diet is high refined carbs , high protein and high fat [ saturated] from red meat [ hamburgers , steak, roast beef , veal ] and lots of pork [ lunch meats , ham , bacon , sausage ] . That’s why everyone is overweight and having heart attacks too much of all 3 macro nutrients .
            And the brain is fueled by carbs not protein go google ” what is the brain ‘s main source of fuel” .You will have brain fog if you go lengths of time without carbs .
            And a high protein diet 1] leeches calcium from the bones 2] is hard on the kidneys 3] makes the blood Ph acidic [ Ketosis] which you do not want .
            How could something” whole” [ grains] be bad for you , ridiculous .

          • RB

            Again Bill, please post links to where you have found “Ketogenic is high protein, low carb.” Every person posting on this website has a different definition of Ketogenic to you. In fact, even this website does! So please, help us to see the error of our ways. Don’t tell us these things are fact, please show us documented proof! I thank you in advance.

          • There are many different fats. We must distinguish healthy fats, such as the saturated fats from grass-fed and pasture-raised meat and dairy, and the monounsaturated fats from olives, coconuts, avocados, etc, from the unhealthy polyunsaturated fats from corn, soy and other vegetable oils. Then there is the ratio of the essential polyunsaturated fatty acids, the O-6 to O-3 ratio, which ideally would be 1:1 or at worst 4:1 but in the industrial food system of vegetable oils and grain-fed animals can be as high as 20:1 or even double that!

          • erin b

            You are quoting a book that has been translated to death by man, after man, after man with an agenda, called religion. Go back and study ancient or what many of us call Paleolithic Hebrew. Then and only then will you hold water on a subject it seems you know very little about. Get your feet out of the concrete you stand in and look toward reality in the truth through study and being awakened. Go now and study with an open mind, with the awakening that you have been lied to and see.

          • BlondeJustice1

            High fat diets do not cause clogged arteries. Too much sugar, which acts as an inflammatory, irritates the insides of the arteries over time, and they start to deteriorate to the point that they are no longer smooth. That raggedy lining is what the plaques stick to and become larger enough to cut off blood flow.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Makes no sense , what causes the plaque . And vegans don’t have heart attacks but they get diabetes .Amazing what the mind can conjure up .

          • BlondeJustice1

            Conjure up? Amazing mind? Have you even read the latest medical research the past 10 years or so? Seems you’ve done enough conjuring yourself Mr. Know It All. Not to mention assuming I don’t know what I’m talking about. I guess my 27 years in the medical field, working with cardiologists, endocrinologists and other doctors, etc., not to mention all those patients of theirs/mine, that had these problems caused by poor diets, means nothing to you. You’ll find a way to be snarky anyway. Why can’t you disagree without being so uppity and high and mighty?
            I’ve been reading the past 10 years about what too much sugar consumption can do to ALL people, not just diabetics, and guess what, they even realized that there is a type of cirrhosis of the liver caused by over consumption of sugar, (NOT just alcohol sugars) in the typical American diet. That’s been known for at least 5 to 6 years, maybe longer as I’m going by the date when I first read about the findings of studies being done around the world. Suzanne Sommers even wrote about the earlier findings of the sugar overload, after consulting with and providing research that was done by leading research doctors, Called Sugarbusters. It wasn’t a celebrity, tell-all, which I waste none of my time on, but it was a look into something that was just starting to be looked at as a reason for other maladies that more and more people were having.
            There’s also a reason why 8 year-olds are getting Type II diabetes, which 20 years ago was unheard of. In the case of heart patients of all kinds, the plaque or cholesterol clumps, goopy stuff or whatever anybody wants to call I,t are able to cling onto the irritated, inflamed and raggedy lining of the arteries and veins too. So the researchers found out that it is sugar that is contributing or is a catalyst, acting like an inflammatory, depending on the study you read. It’s the inflammation that creates the beginning of the long-term degradation of the lining of the arteries, due to a constant diet high in sugar, especially processed sugars. Of course there could be other factors, like too much intake of unhealthy cholesterol or too much so that the liver can’t filter it out fast enough.
            So Bill, lets just discuss things, and agree to disagree. No sarcastic, snide remarks. Just state what you have read over the years, how many people you come in contact with you in your chosen career that have all those medical problems or state that you have read research that says this or that. Then, if I feel it has merit, I will google away and read who is behind the study, how many studies have been done and by whom, and maybe share it with someone who might have a question or a problem that I MAY have read about or could direct them to a website that might me able to help them. This is junior high bully time.
            Too much sugar is now considered the culprit but there are other things that can factor into a CHF or CAD diagnosis.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Okay , I apologize, but I have been attack a lot . I don’t understand how everyone can blow of basic nutritional science the body’s main source of fuel is complex carbs” google it” . So wouldn’t common sense tell you eliminating carbs be counter beneficial ?. Carbs are also one of the 3 macro – nutrients , and one of the 6 essential nutrients , essential means essential.

            And when it comes to nutrition Dr.’s are way of, they dismiss basic understanding and want to make everything real deep and complicated because of all their book learning, their full of pride 1 Cor 8 : 1 Niv bible . The reason you see diabetes in children is because the mothers consumed lots of sugar from junk food when pregnant which enters the umbilical cord to that fetus . And Susan Sommers no comment . Again, heart attacks are caused by clogged arteries not sugar, their wrong . It’s wild everyone wants to change things just to change , because it’s been an old understanding or it’s too simple or again they want to make things real complicated when the causes are simple .

            Like ulcers , their caused by stress, worry, not bacteria, which the medical field is telling you know . I had an ulcer and at that time I was worrying a lot as I clearly remember , which causes the stomach to produce too much hydrochloric acid which eats a hole in the lining of the stomach , and I had quit consuming whole milk which contrary to what you hear today , most certainly helps to heal ulcers .

            The point is everything is wrong today there isn’t much truth , you have to search for it or it will cost you . Again Dr.’s are terrible, for the most part they will ruin you, if you let them diagnose and treat you Mk 5 : 26 [Niv] bible .

            Ketosis is a state you do” not” want to be in for long . It as always been known to be detrimental until these modern times, now they want to tell you it’s good , no it’s not . The definition is an acidic blood Ph which leads to gout , kidney problems, arthritis etc ! . When you go to the hospital their famous for saying about a patient ” were not sure but we think ” .

            Check out my simple blog site by googling [ foundation of nutrition the bible] you might find it interesting .

          • daniel michael

            You obviously haven’t done your homework on the Keto diet. Just about everything you said above is wrong.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            No, I have, science backs up everything I say . The body’s main source of fuel is complex carbs go check on it yourself . What is so hard about this . I don’t get it . Just because a Dr. says something you all swallow it hook, line, and sinker, their not God do you understand . Whole grains[ carbs] are very important . And for everyone reading this guess what just came out the other day whole grains are very beneficial is what the “study” concluded . Busted !!!.
            How could something whole be bad, unbelievable . No one’s eating whole grains but refined grains loaded with table sugar . No one’s easting whole grains, fruit / veg it the U. S . and look at the results .

          • RB

            every post Bill you have asked us to go “check on ourselves” or use “the google”, I have. Please post some links as I cannot find any of these facts you speak of. Please link to these study you speak of. I am sure it would be an interesting read for all.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            RB , I just googled it ,” body’s main source of fuel” , read the links . What are you talking about , this is so simple . Ketosis is terrible. The opposite of what you want . The brain is also primarily fueled by carbs check it . Dr.’s suck when it comes to nutrition they don’t know what their talking about . Quit thinking because a Dr. say’s this or that it’s true and follow blindly . Here’s how you can tell if your blood Ph is acidic [, Ketosis] which is bad 1] Check the color of your urine it should be clear not yellowish 2] Smell your breath, does it stink like acid, no good . This is ridiculous , the whole point of Ketosis is that it’s low to no” carb” no matter what type Ketosis. Fortyfoteen , No, I’m not at all . Wake up . Google body’s main source of fuel tell me what it say’s . Hello !!!. The body changes” complex carbs” to glucose not protein or fat, a fact . Don’t follow along with what everyone say’s and does it’s destructive Matt 7 : 13[ Niv] bible . This guy is on steroids he cheats to build his body, yet your going to listen to what he say’s, wake up .

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            Bill, in this modern era, to make blanket statements about diets is a very slippery slope. People have been intermixing for quite some time now, and they live nowhere near their ancestral origins. As such, this whole issue becomes increasingly complex. That being said, I WILL make this blanket statement. A high fat diet absolutely does not predispose to pathology, What you really mean to be saying is that a high TRANS fat or oxidized fat (what can happen to PUFAs but NOT to saturated fats) diet is the beginning of the end. Banging on your Bible will not reinforce your point, sorry about that.

          • Rob Bigs

            Well, you have a point beyond the biblical bullshit you spout. Your brain is the only part of your body that requires glucose to function. Fat is not converted to glucose in any way. But the level of glucose needed is found in the food you eat, regardless if its laden with refined sugar or not.
            Its like people taking salt pills in America, its pointless. There is salt in everything we eat. We require it, but there is never a need to make sure we get enough salt to function correctly, outside of extreme physical activity.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Your right about the extreme activity and salt . That’s why high blood P. is so commonplace , people salt everything when most foods are already salted . And because of pork consumption which you do not want to eat Lev 11 : all, like putting airplane fuel in a car ,and is cured and laden with salt .As for the brain being the only part, not so, the body is set up for complex carbs as well as the brain . There are exceptions to the rule [eskimos] who need a high fat diet because they live in extreme cold temp.
            As for the biblical bull shit not so . The bible is very science based . As I stated the body’s main source of fuel is carbs [ grains] which the bible backs up Zech 9 : 17 [Niv] bible .And it told us long before science knew that raisins give you strength SOS 2 : 5 Niv bible . because they have iron . And that apples refresh you same verse . And that the earth was round way before it was understood Isa 45 : 22 Niv bible .Glucose is converted from carbs after you digests them it’s not in foods .

          • Rob Bigs

            Well I must say Bill, that was a thoughtful response. I can recognize a quality person when I see one.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Why the sarcasim ? ,what did I say that you didn’t like?.

          • Rob Bigs

            Thats not sarcasm.

          • Max

            Hi Bill, I believed I already proved this wrong to myself. for 8 years I’ve been suffering from High Blood Pressure ranging from 160/110 to 240/140, got hospitalized as well. Doctors can’t find any cure and tried maintenance meds even the potent ones like telmisartan 80 mg. I look like a healthy person physically, I don’t drink alcohol and smoke. 2 months ago I visited a doctor because I am paranoid due to my urine being frothy and bubbly, I was thinking that the prolonged High blood pressure might have damaged my kidneys, I underwent series of tests even abdominal ultrasound only to find that I have Fatty liver (non – alcoholic), doctors said to reduce cholesterol intake and and fatty foods, and so i tried, using telmisartan 80mg which is max and going on a diet, my cardiac dysrythmia did not go. still suffereing from 160/100 to 180BP. so I tried fruit diets like banana or apple diet, with low fat almost to no fat at all. Still not working for me. I read about this low carb diet thing, so I tried, My BP became 140/100 in a span of 4 days, but still taking the 80mg telmisartan. I research about keto diet which requires high fat low carb high protein diet, so i tried, it’s been 2 weeks now, my BP is only at 120/80 to 120/90 max. The thing is I only take 40mg of telmisartan without any spikes at all. I have energy for day to day work although I sufferred the so called keto flu for 1 week. But hey man, I am as healthy as a beast. Tried eating rice again and loaf breads, my BP went to 140/100 again, now I can no longer eat grains and even more than 1 cavandish banana. I hope this will clear everything, I don’t know about your physique but I am an asian guy and it works for me.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Max, your way of . It’s about foods , there is a saying whole foods have tremendous healing powers . Hippocrates said” let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food” . Dark chocolate is tremendous for lowering high blood P. It dilates [ relaxes] the arteries by like 40% which lets the blood flow more freely with considerable” less pressure” . The meds you are taking are terrible they are like the 4th leading cause od death in the U. S . Carbs are the body’s main source of fuel google it , which the bible backs up Zech 9 : 17[ Niv] bible .. Don’t listen to what Dr.’s espouse, it’s terrible, all wrong. They will ruin you as the bible tell us Mk 5 : 26 Niv bible . It’s about self- healing like I have been doing with my adrenal glands . Herbs are the way to go” DO YOU UNDERSTAND” !!! . Not physician prescribed meds . So it’s food then herbs to help an organ function to it’s optimal capacity .
            As for the fatty liver disease are you consuming pork and lots of red meat and you cannot take the fat soluble Vit [ A , D , E,] , because they are not excreted daily from the body like the water soluble [ B , C ,] , which can cause fatty liver disease , as well as arterial calcification . The med your on has terrible side effects , and alcohol in moderation is” excellent “for you, especially red wine . Check out my site you might like it [ foundation of nutrition the bible] . Google it . And study into the things I said [ dark chocolate , herbs , benefits of grains, red wine] .Remember what you misunderstand can ruin you Hos 4 : 6 [Niv] bible .

          • RB

            Nice work Max. Exact same for me. I was also on Nexium for Acid reflux and Effexor for depression/ anxiety. Off all meds, never felt better, losing weight still and have more energy all day. Sleep better too. Actually want to exercise for the first time in nearly a decade! Because I am not exhausted all the time. Works for me too.

          • calmic

            you sir, live in the dark ages.

          • BrutalPatriot

            Just because you keep saying something is a fact, it doesn’t make it so.

            Since you think you’re so much more intelligent than the 1000s of doctored researchers who have conducted dozens and dozens of studies on this subject for nearly 90 years, maybe you should reveal your discoveries to the world that you believe Nobel winning researchers are frauds.

            Even worse is that you quote scripture that has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. How about you go look at the Biblical times diet. High protein, low carb with a little wine thrown in.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            I didn’t discover anything I state . They are simple basic facts of nutritional science that the body’s much preferred source of fuel is complex carbs . Again, there are exceptions to the rule . Please don’t tell me about Dr.’s they suck for the most part , especially when it comes to nutrition . I can’t believe you people still think because a Dr. teaches something it is the greatest thing or that it has to be true . Unbelievable . I you listen to them you will suffer Mk 5 : 26 Niv bible .

          • ironbutterfly

            Totally agree.
            One of the best if not The Best lifestyle(hate the word ‘diet’) is MACROBIOTICS.
            A friend of mine(in Miami), cured himself from prostate cancer simply changing completely to Macrobiotics.
            Now another thing about Grains.
            It’s true that today’s grains are very different from grains of 200 years ago, and even 60 yrs ago.
            Despite that, there are many many sources of real grains around the world.
            Recently I turned my TV on(which I watch very little) and a documentary was showing, about different tribes around the world eat.
            At that moment, a tribe in Ethiopia was on screen.
            Their main food for 200 days are GRAINS.
            Their intestinal system is in perfect health.
            The guy who was doing this film, asked an Ethiopian man (about 50 yr old) to eat a can of corn, and then asked him to check when he goes to bathroom, when the corn comes out.
            Next morning he was back at the tribe to check with the Ethiopian guy.
            The corn came out in about 10 hours.
            Those who live in the western civilization, takes 2.5 days for corn to digest.
            What it shows that 90% of people in the west, ALL have all sorts of problems connected to digestion.
            So, yes, GRAINS were given to us by God, or by some high being, to exist on and to live on.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Excellent ,your the man . Prostate cancer is because of pork consumption it isn’t designed for the human body . Like putting airplane fuel in a car , can’t do it .The human body is so incredible Ps 149 : 13 that you can actually get away with putting a meat [ pork] in the digestive system which it can’t digest very well for a while ,then you have health problems like prostate, ,colon, stomach cancer , unlike a car ,which would probable not even run one time using airplane fuel .

            We are set up for grains [ complex carbs] Zech 9 : 17 Niv bible which science backs up . Hardly anyone in the U. S . eats “whole” grains but refine [ white bread] .

            More and more farmers are using heirloom grains so the argument about how much worse grains are is moot .

            Thanks for the knowledge, I’m impressed , your going places because you know the truth . May God bless you and keep you from violence .

          • Sean1978

            For some reason he can’t seem to grasp this fact.

          • David Fielding

            YOu hit the nail on Bill the biblethumper’s head with that link. Of course, there may be more than a few examples where the Bible is at odds with science, history and so forth. Bill is a troll of biblical proportions whose long-winded, repetitive and redundant diatribe seems to have no end.

          • deb B

            Actually the brain is 60% fat. Low fat diets are deadly and can cause depression.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Deb B , you are 100% right the brain is composed of like 60% fat very good but and this is a fact it’s primarily fueled by carbs [ complex] .

          • Roger

            enzymes in your body will convert glycerol into glucose to protect your brain.

          • Lisa Lauenberg

            The body is more than capable of converting protein into the fuel your brain needs via a process called gluconeogenesis.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            Lisa, correct, all non carb macromolecules can be converted to glucose upon demand, provided all co-factors are present.

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            Bill, look deeply enough into a biochem textbook, and in fact, yo will find that contrary to EVERYONE who knows a little bit, and thinks they have a complete understanding (almost every physician out there who is pretending to practice health care) , the preferred CNS energy source in fact, are ketone bodies. In a completely natural environment (tropical excluded) , carbs are not plentiful, even complex. This is why fats are considered by all traditional diets worldwide, as sacred foods.
            Documentation on this is plentiful. I am not wasting time here to see myself blather on.

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            By dry weight, the % is actually much higer

          • Franklin

            Bill you are 100% incorrect.

          • Grisly Atoms

            Bill, sorry, that is not correct. The brain is fueled by glucose, which is manufactured during ketosis in a process called gluconeogenesis. No carbs needed.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Grisly, glucose is converted from carbs not protein or fat go check” what is glucose converted from” , glucose isn’t a carb it’s converted from carbs and is the body’s main source of sugar for almost all cells especially the brain. You will actually go crazy if you eliminate carbs , go check a while back on egg head Einsteins comment to me at this site , he was rambling incoherent when depriving the body of carbs.

          • Guy

            The empty can rattles the loudest Bill!

          • John Brailsford

            Carbs spike blood sugar and start the insulin pump which results in fat on the belly, hips and anywhere else. You can get rid of non alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) By stopping or reducing carbs. Then there is also the question of gluten and all the bad things it does.

          • Grisly Atoms

            Bill, No offense to you, but I don’t need to “go check” – I know what I am a talking about. Glucose is a sugar – that is what the suffix “ose” means. Dextrose, lactose, fructose, glucose, etc. These are all sugars, which are carbohydrates. This is nomenclature based on study of these compounds, not opinion. Three kinds of macronutrients exist- fat, protein and carbs. Which category does glucose fall under? Not protein, nor fat. Gluconeogenesis is also a well-understood and known process. I am not sure where you are getting your info, but if someone is telling you glucose isn’t a carb then abandon that adviser immediately. He or she is not informed. You can eliminate carbs from your diet but not from your body because the body can make glucose from fat metabolism, or protein metabolism. Products of ketosis are ketone bodies and glycerol, which can be converted to glucose. also search for lypolysis – lots of good info there. I am sorry if you had some “egg head” rambling incoherently, but don’t let that discourage you from the quest for knowledge. GLTU.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Grisly, glucose isn’t a carb it’s what’s converted from the breakdown of carbs and is needed by almost every cell of the body. Dextrose is table sugar in like candy etc, lactose is in dairy , and fructose is found in fruits , a simple carb that is also much needed. How could one of the” 3″ macro nutrients not be needed , it’s common sense is it not ?. Carbs are one of the” 6″ essential nutrients are they not ,if it’s essential you need it , no?. Ketosis is terrible, I can’t believe theirs a site espousing the benefits if it , it reminds me of Isa 5 : 20 Niv bible .

          • Neicee

            Bill, you certainly picked the wrong forum to get any converts for the carboholics fan club. I’d like to challenge you to post your sources that “CARBS ARE ONE OF THE ESSENTIAL NUTRIENTS”. Oh, misquoting the Bible is a mortal sin too and yes you have misquoted every single time to further your agenda. Shame on you. So take your PH theory and take your bicarbonate of soda down to the last drop. That is a 60 yr. old theory btw. Reading your comments are like watching paint dry.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Neicee, I just checked on carbs being an” essential “nutrient one of the” 6″ , by googling ” 6″ essential nutrients, how hard is that . Go check it for yourself , it’s a fact , hello!!!.
            And I have no agenda , but to help or warn people that what they are believing and following will ruin them Pr 24 : 11 [ NIV] bible .
            I’m not misquoting anything. Your talking out of hate and emotion instead of reasoning with your mind .

          • Elizabeth Lavet

            There are many lectures on YouTube by researchers as well as those living a ketogenic life style. Clearly, the brain and body can burn either ketones or glucose. A good argument is made that it prefers ketones. It is only primarily fueled by carbs if you eat carbs and create excess glucose. If any of you are new to the internet go to YouTube by googling YouTube and type in ketogenic in the subject bar for YouTube. Many video choices will pop up. Educate yourselves by enjoying watching various videos, some professional lectures and some individuals.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Elizabeth , most everything on u tube is nonsense , about 85 % . The body does not prefer Ketones as a source of fuel . What I say isn’t far out or far reaching but science based .
            The body is fueled by glucose it’s needed by every cell in the body and it’s” converted” primarily from complex carbs , go study it , it’s a scientific fact.
            Quit thinking Dr.’s are God they suck when it comes to nutrition , and yes Ketosis may help seizure’s, but it will cause other problems from having an[ acidic] blood Ph , there’s a saying” the cure is worse than the disease”.
            What he say’s is idiotic and what I’m saying is science based , quit believing anything a Dr. say’s it’s ridiculous, and will ruin you. Mk 5 : 26[ NIV] bible .

          • Elizabeth Lavet

            I applaud those doctors that are starting to question and study diet and nutrition and am so glad YouTube is there for the rest of us to easily see some of the leading research topics. I have looked at the science, which the ethical doctors and scientists admit is evolving. You say your opinion is science based but you site the bible. I think we are going to have to disagree and let it go at that. It seems to me you have a narrower interpretation of things and more extreme view than I do. When a child has no seizure control, no quality of life, becoming brain damaged from the seizures and the keto diet, used by athletes and many others, gives him back his life. Bravo!!!. Until further information on seizure disorder is discovered that might bring a better answer I say go with the best you have. If acidity is a problem, which I have not seen mentioned anywhere else, certainly that could be addressed. I have not seen anywhere mentioned the dire predictions for outcome from being on the keto diet that you claim. Certainly, it is not for everyone. I do believe some people benefit more than others. Metabolic typing etc. For those with Poly cystic ovary disease I do think a time on a keto diet might allow them to straighten out their bodies quickly as it cuts insulin production. A keto diet is not devoid of green leafy vegetables, in fact, the one I am thinking about for general diet is loaded with healthy vegetables, low protein – not high, and healthy fats. It really seems that you are making extreme statements without having studied the big picture, kind of like you like commenting on youtube but don’t want to do the work to learn about what you are commenting about. If you have the bible behind you then you don’t have to look at the big picture? Maybe that is as big as you can get in your view. But this is your interpretation of one quote of the bible. The drugs and seizures were killing the children with seizure disorder, they could possibly take marijuana extract to stop the seizures, but it is not always easily available and might not work as well as the keto diet, side effects. I will give you that a healthy diet devoid of refined products with lots of fresh organic vegetables, fruit, beans with a small amount of grass fed organic meats, wild fish etc. as desired would probably go a long way in healing many people. I believe in compassion and do no harm. Making extreme statements, as if you are an authority, that might scare a parent of a child with seizure disorders, does not seem very compassionate or thoughtful. I just don’t interpret the bible as narrow as you do. My God is very compassionate. You don’t mention whether you have personal experience with the keto diet. You sound like you are paid by the grain companies etc. to make rash statements, probably not though. That is how one sided your statements sound. It is clear you have a strong opinion. May GOD bless you and guide you. Remember, you are not GOD and not all knowing.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Elizabeth, my statements are not extreme at all or rash there as basic as can be in line with basic nutrition , and God has and is blessing me tremendously because I’m trying to warn people Pr 24 : 10 , 11, 12[ NIV] bible , tell them the truth so as not to ruin their health , that’s why Gods blessing me .

            I know I’m not God and that I don’t know everything , but I do know basic nutrition 101, that complex carbs are the body’s main source of fuel a” scientific” fact, and that you need to eat carbs with protein or you go into a state of Ketosis [ an acidic blood Ph ] which if practiced for a lengh of time will cause serious health problems, [ gout , kidney problems , arthritis etc .

            It’s unbelievable how all of you Dr. included are dismissing, forgetting , overlooking” basic” principles of nutrtion . And you said Ketosis is low protein , Elizabeth the whole point or definition of Ketosis is that it’s low carb, high protein , what are you talking about ?.

            No, I don’t have personal experience with the condition it’s what you or I or anyone wants to avoid , I don’t want to experience ketosis it’s terrible , science say’s so the body is set up for carbs and the bible by the way backs this scientific fact up Zech 9 : 17 NIV bible . Grains [ bread ] are complex carbs , which are one of the 3 macro nutrients the body needs in the proper balance . Carbs are also one of the 6 essential nutrients , how could something essential be bad for you ?, which is what Ketosis is the low carb or elimination of carbs, it’s nuts.

            Go online right now and google are carbs the body’s main source of fuel and what their benefits are .Your just listening to these Dr.’s because you think because there Dr.’s there God that’s the point none of you can understand the overwhelming majority of them are terrible they will ruin you , their full of pride because of all their book learning 1 Cor 8 : 1 NIV bible and they want to make everything real complicated , they blow of the basics the one’s about nutrition I mentioedn above , and the bible warns us about Dr’s Mk 5 : 26 NIV bible . It says the women was under the care of” many” not one or a few Dr.’s and instead of getting better she became worse , and on top of that thaey took all her money , unbelievable . Why do you think it’s in the bible ?, if you only knew how they regularly cause people all kinds of problems on a regular basis , because their so arrogant . I just read online about a women who went in for a simple procedure they gave her some drug and she was on a ventilater for like 9 mo , because of their screw ups. Do you understand /. They come to understand drugs and surgery are disiasterous , and that it’s about eating right but they go and blow of basic principles of nutrtion , like Perlmutter Ketosis is another type of fad diet it goes against all commonsense and science .
            Some other thoughts veggies are not carbs and because you haven’t heard that ketosis is bad doesn’t mean it isn’t , and the whole point of the condition is that it’s ACIDIC , do you understand , you do not want your blood Ph to be ACIDIC , but alkaline , how come they don’t mention this simple point go ahead confront them on this point bring it up to himsee what he says.

            What do you think the American diet is it’s refined carbs not whole grain , and very acidic [ high protein] meats [ hamburgers, steak , roast beef , pork [ ham , lunch meats , which everyone eats at lunch when at work , sausage , bacon , who eats whole grains , fruit and veggies are you kidding me , no one . The study just came out about how no one is eating fruit and veggies , but the above meats .

            Ketosis contrary to what you said isn’t about not eating leafy vegetables but the avoidance of Grains , do you understand ?.

            And what about herbs for brain seizures the bibles way the real or natural way the lost way , is about herbs to heal any physical problem not synthetic drugs . Since the brain is primarily fueled by carbs [ grains] the right way is to eat carbs and look into herbs for help with seizures.
            And no I am not getting paid by the grain Co. are you serious I’m again trying to tell people the truth to not see them ruin themselves by Dr.’s who don’t know what they are talking about

          • Elizabeth Lavet

            Read more carefully what I said or perhaps I did not make myself clear. I said that a ketogenic diet includes leafy greens, many vegetables. So many confuse the Atkins diet with the keto diet, two different things. There is no such thing as nutrition 101 in that nutrition facts are continually evolving. Much of what I was taught in a medical university nutrition course is wrong today. I remember many students asking my professor about margarine and trans fats. He side stepped this issue, although I had a cassette tape on the dangers of margarine 10 years earlier. A month after classes were over it hit the news FINALLY that trans fats in margarine are dangerous. There are still doctors and public behind the times thinking margarine is the very best for their health. Carbs can be burned or ketones can be burned is the message, one or the other. Neither diet, carb based or ketone based is free of fat or carbs, they are just talking about the advantages and disadvantages of one or the other. Yes, past literature I am sure probably states that carbs are a source of fuel. New information coming out giving us more choices to manage our diets for health according to our individual needs at the moment. Your missing the message and the information because you are stuck in information from the past in a way that seems not to allow room for new information to be incorporated in. So much I was taught was wrong, two more examples, vitamin D3 toxcity and Potassium supplemental levels not to exceed. We need to learn from and listen to the patients, critically analyze science, but don’t dump new ideas because some class told you one thing. I have been wondering how so many different diets can all seemingly get the same results, the starch solution, 80-10-10, the fruit eaters, the raw food diet, Ornish diet etc. Yes, if you know of herbs that stops seizures and can share that with the world, parents of children suffering, great. YouTube would be a wonderful place to pass that around. There just is not the evidence out there that the keto diet is as harmful as you put out and has many benefits. In fact, there is growing evidence that being too alkaline can cause problems. It did for my dad. A sign he was very sick. There is mounting evidence that cholesterol is not the issue once thought, that homocysteine is much more indicative of a problem. One doctor told my friend that the Statins were working great because his cholesterol was 100, the lower the better, Many functional medicine doctors report cholesterol under 150 is dangerous. You are so certain that you don’t seem to be open to even considering the information given. One of the main things mentioned by many is that the grain today is not the grain of many years ago and is causing problems. Things change. There does not have to be one way or one answer. Many diseases, we are learning, have multiple causes and one thing can manifest in disease in many ways. Pesticides, molds, can have many different end organ damages. Yes, glucose can fuel the body, so can ketones. I am thinking we were fearfully and wonderfully made this way, according to the food available we could survive.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Elizabeth , carbs are the” main” source not A source. You don’t have anything right , Atkins was and is” carb” free , Ketogenic is” low to no carbs” . Leafy greens and veggies are not carbs their the vit/ min group.
            It makes no sense to say thee is no basic nutrition 101 , are you serious ?. There are basic principles that are scientific based like you need to eat carbs with protein or you go into a Ketogenic state [ acidic blood Ph] which is” bad” . Almost all cancer shows an acidic blood Ph , not an alkaline .

            How could something whole be bad it’s so simple .Whole grains are great for you , it’s that simple . You do not want to eliminate or teach whole grains are harmful , their very important to optimal health the brain is” PRIMARILY” fueled by carbs even though it’s mostly fat, this a” scientific” fact .

            Your deceiving yourself , Dr.s are not God, there terrible, they ruin people everyday , and what’s on u tube etc is mostly false nonsense , misinformation that will ruin you if you adhere to it.

            Look at all the contradictions you mentioned concerning the medical establishment , it’s a joke .

            No , things change but not scientific principles , laws gravity etc , as well as nutritional science , look at all the benefits of whole grains go google it .

            Ketogenic is just another fad in this context the” cure is worse than the disease” , again herbs are the way to go , for just about any health malady go study into it , quit listening to the Satanic medical profession.

          • Elizabeth Lavet

            Science is leading the changes, not satan.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Science backs up the bible and vice versa. It’s a fact you want high carb , medium to low protein, and low fat, as study after study has shown , to be the healthiest way to eat, and I’m living proof at almost 60 .

            No, your the one who’s letting Satan deceive you into believing” what’s wrong is right” Rev 12 : 9 [ NIV] bible .

            Stop worshipping Dr. ‘s for the most part they are terrible, all puffed up because of their book learning , they want to make everything real complicated to impress everyone, so they blow of the basics just like this subject of Ketosis.

          • Eddie Stephens

            Bill, I’m not married to any side of this argument, and I was open-minded to your “opinions” until you started ranting about the bible. It was at this point, you betrayed yourself as a lunatic. Absolutely hilarious!

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Eddie, I wasn’t ranting at all , just conveying fact’s . Like the body’s main source of fuel is carb’s , and that they are one of the 3 macro- nutrient’s as well as one of the 6 essential nutrient’s . They are not opinions but fact’s .
            Dr.’s no nothing about nutrition , you think because he’s an M. D. his word is gospel or he is right no matter whatever they say . Dr. ‘s are not God , they are terrible , they misdiagnose like 80% of the time.
            And you might like this verse concerning Dr.’ s Mk 5 : 26 [ Niv] bible . And this one about grains [ bread] or carbs Zech 9 : 17[ Niv] bible .
            Look at the results since everyone is believing carbs are bad, all kinds of gout, arthritis, kidney, problems from a high fat, protein diet .
            This is simple reasoning , no one’s eating high carbs right now ie :[ fish without the bun ] for like the last 15 yrs because they were told it’s bad, again, look at the results in our country .
            As for me being a lunatic I really like that, thanks Hos 9 : 7 [ Niv] bible .

          • Elizabeth Lavet

            http://theautismintensive.com/interviews/mark-hyman-md/#below Here are two doctors that talk about herb oils, near the end of the video. If you have not seen this you might find this interesting.

          • Elizabeth Lavet
          • JC Smith

            There is a lot of junk on youtube. But there is a lot of INCREDIBLE and GOOD Information.

          • Elizabeth Lavet
          • Jonny Mikulski

            Well first off “god” is fake. Stop the nonsense Bill. Jan 1st 2016 I was 221 lbs 18% body fat. Today I am 189 less than 13% body fat. Is that unhealthy? Misinformation is the reason 50% of our population is obese. I’m a Biomedical Health and Exercise major and I will tell you ketogenic diets are not only safe, but beneficial. If you knew anything about this diet you’d know, it’s not just low carb, it’s also high fat and moderate protein. The surplus of fat and protein is why you are able to reduce the carbs so low. Before I was in ketosis I was eating 2100 calories a day, now 1860. Less than a 15% decrease. It’s safe, you are dead wrong, but I blame your teachers not you.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            John , your dead wrong . And no one taught me but God, as the psalmist said Ps 71 : 17 [ Niv] bible .
            What your doing is very dangerous , because the body’s main source of fuel is carbs [ complex] not protein or fat , this a scientific fact . Also the brain is primarily fueled by carbs , a” scientific” fact . Go google it .
            It’s unbelievable that all of you blow of” basic” nutritional science 101, unbelievable.
            There are exceptions to the above like the Inuit who live in extreme cold they need a high fat diet, but that’s not you or me .
            A high fat diet [ American ] will clog the arteries over time , and high protein 1] leeches calcium from the bones 2] is hard on the kidneys 3] makes the blood Ph acidic instead of the required alkaline .
            Go google everything I just stated, how hard is this , talk about nonsense .
            I was just talking to 2 people about bread [ carbs] and they were saying how they started to develop brain fog after eschewing carbs . Which makes sense since as I stated the brain is fueled by carbs .
            Don’t believe anything you hear today as a great man of God predicted for our” modern” times it’s nonsense Isa 59 : 15 [ Niv ] bible .
            As for misinformation your right it will destroy you Hos 4 : 6 [ Niv] bible .
            And God has to exist, you can’t have something from nothing , there was a time when there was no matter .

          • Kelli Flanagan

            Please stop talking nonsense in the name of God.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            How are facts nonsense ?, go google” body’s main source of fuel” you all can’t be this dumb . Quit worshipping Dr.’s they no nothing about nutrition , wake up . Try spending some time on your knees Dan 6 : 10 [Niv] bible .so you can discern the truth .

          • JC Smith

            Bill it looks like you are here to try to change peoples minds that are perfectly happy doing this diet. Thanks for the info…. please move along. You can’t Bully people into your way of thinking.

          • JC Smith

            Oh – by the way… there are a WHOLE LOT MORE than 6 Essential Nutrients.

          • JC Smith

            You know Jonny – it’s ok for you to believe God is fake. But you really should let everyone believe what we want. Because My God is very real to me.

          • JC Smith

            So first of all, I am a Christian. But you can’t cite information from the Bible about grains, when today’s grains are completely GMO. They are NOT the same grains of the bible and our bodies CANNOT process them. Since we silly humans have ruined our food supply those arguments are completely out the window. So get into our century (or Millennia)

            I have been hugely successful on the Keto Diet and will do it on and off as I eat as healthy as I possibly can since I am an organic gardener and can most of my own food.

            My husband is Type 1 Diabetic and we are finding this diet amazing for him to manage his blood glucose. I give you an amazing reference here. http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/treatment-for-diabetes.html

          • Rick

            Bill, you said: “The body is fueled by glucose it’s needed by every cell in the body and it’s” converted” primarily from complex carbs , go study it , it’s a scientific fact.” The body is fueled by glucose if you take in an excess of carbs of any kind or too much protein. Both complex and simple carbs are converted to glucose and Americans are fat because they take in too many carbs and the excess is converted and stored as fat. Our recently researched thesis is that body cells are properly fueled by Ketones if you don’t over eat carbs or protein. This prevents you from storing excess fat which is dangerous and leads to heart attacks as well as other health problems. Your rants are ignoring the possibility that this is true because you are married to archaic “wisdom”. I suggest you try reading some research from this century. BTW, I have found in my research that intelligence is in a direct inverse relationship to the number of times a person uses the word “fact”. If you are wondering why you are being attacked here, you may want to give that some thought. That’s just me trying to help you.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Rick, the body is set up for carbs, which are then converted to glucose whether you take in an excess or not . What you said doesn’t make sense , why would you say if taken in excess ?.The body is not fueled by ketones , they are produced when the body is deprived of carbs which is not good for long periods.

            Look this is simple, a fad diet is when you eliminate one of the” 3″ macro- nutrients ,common sense tells you that you want all” 3″ macro – nutrients .
            Ketosis is terrible it’s what like 75% of Americans are in because no one’s eating whole grains , fruits / veg . Ketosis is cutting out carbs which is nut’s, go google” benefits of carbs” which leads to an acidic blood PH which you do not want , it should be alkaline not acidic, how simple is this . I promise you that you will ruin your health if you go” low to no carbs” , plain and simple . Dr.’s no nothing about basic nutrition , carbs are” thee” source of fuel for the body and that will never change . Just because some thing’s old doesn’t mean it’s not true .

            There’s a saying I love” If it’s new it can’t be true, and if it’s true it’s not new “. Don’t believe much of anything you hear today Isa 59 : 15 [ Niv] bible . It’s nut’s, like this subject, there is no truth out there today, and what you don’t know will ruin you .Hos 4 : 6 [Niv] bible .

            I still can’t believe you all believe Ketosis is desirable when it’s terrible .

            Here smell your breathe, does it have an acidic odor to it , that means your blood Ph is acidic , not good . And the American diet is lots of refined carbs but also high protein and fat [ meats ] like red meat [ hamburgers , steak, roast beef, and Pork [ sausage, ham , kolbasi, , bacon ] and lunch meats [ salami, baloney, chipped ham etc]. And almost all cancer shows an acidic blood Ph , not alkaline .

          • Kelli Flanagan

            wow

          • Sean1978

            There is no essential carbohydrate to human health, this is one of the most uninformed statements I have read in a long time. I know some who thrive on low carb or zero carb and have done so for a long time and are better off for it. It is not deadly to have a low carb diet, carbs are not needed for life.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Go google” body’s main source of fuel” . And I said there are exceptions to the rule , like Eskimos they live in extreme cold so they do not need carbs but high fat ,protein , but that is not you or me . Yeah right uninformed .

          • Sean1978

            I know what the body burns as fuel, no debate it burns glucose as fuel first because that is what it is used to burning. My point being there is no essential carb though and if you were in an island and had fat and protein with the meats only you would live, carbs are not needed to sustain life is my point. You seem to think you need them to live, which is in fact not true. Vitamins, minerals, proteins, fats and water are needed to sustain life, not carbs. I don’t know why you came to a keto discussion to pitch carbs anyways, sounds a little like wanting to argue. We can point to google links all day to support our beliefs too, anyone can do that.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Sean , there are “6” essential nutrients you mentioned 5 you forgot carbs , unbelievable . . the” 3″ macro nutrients are protein ,” carbs” and fat , a scientific fact . The brain is fueled by carbs is it not?, your deceiving yourself when all you have to do is check on it . Why not google it and learn if it’s a fact , why would you say we can google all day, You should google it to find out the facts no?. It’s not a belief it’s science , and as I said there are exceptions to the rule . Perlmutter is talking nonsense and your all swallowing it .

            Look at what everyone is believing, that carbs are bad, eat the fish or meat, not the bread or bun , which is what everyone is doing today, and look at the results in our country” right now” , everyone is fat and overweight and having heart attacks , since going low to no carb .

            The Ketogenic diet is the Atkins in disguise , and very harmful . Same with the Paleo way, it’s nonsense , grains are the” staff of life” as the old saying goes , your believing the lie .

            I just talked to a couple of people about how they said they couldn’t think right when they went low to no carb , and that would make sense, since the brain is primarily fueled by complex carbs, a scientific fact .

            Smell your breath does it smell acidic not good , it’s a simple test .
            As for why I comment on a Keto site, are you serious , it’s to try to keep people from ruining their health by another fad diet . The truth is imperative without it you destroy yourself Hos 4 : 6 [ Niv] bible .

          • Sean1978

            I am not googling carbs because they are not essential for life, they are not in there and I forgot to mention them because they are not needed to sustain life regardless of what you think or google. Some MD’s even acknowledge there is no need essential carbohydrate! If you are not eating them your body makes it’s own Glucose and you know that is a fact, so you can live without them but not the other stuff. I forgot air though, so that is the other one.. That one you need.

            Why am I going to good your crap your stuff you speak of when I can just google carbs not essential or needed for life and get results too? See two can play that google it game! Perlmutter is talking nonsense? So we need grains to live? Dr William Davis speaking nonsense too? Gary Taubes? Petter Attia? I guess if you say so and want to believe it since there is no swaying your biased mind here, which leads me to ask again whaThy are you on a keto post arguing and wasting our time with us if you are so right? Go toa carb board and talk to them about it.

            LOL you think eating the meat and fats is making those people fat? No, it’s the bread they are eating and other things along with the meat, don’t blame the meat for the challenges of man kind on being fat and overweight, infact most who go zero to low carb lose a ton of weight, believe me I have talked to many and know a few as well in real LIFE, no googling! Real life in front of me for me to see. That is proof to me. Everyone overweight and having heart attacks but it’s low carb doing it, not the SAD diet they eat and so on, please spare me with that come on now you sound really dense.

            How is a keto diet harmful? Lack of carbs? I fail to see how lack of Carbs is harmful. If you want to quote bible verses why don’t you use one about them mentioning God turning down a fruit but accepting the fat? I guess you miss that one or cherry pick it, the fat of the land book by Stefansson has the verse and I read it, he did an all meat diet for years with the eskimos and thrived on it. Your not scaring me or fooling me in to believing we need carbs to live, they are not essential and I am not going to google it to get results in which I can google the opposite of what you say and find results of my own to back me. It’s that easy. You are not the truth, you think you are so keep believing what you want to but I disagree with you 100%.

            BTW the not thinking right is an adaptation period and that takes some time! I talk to people as well who eat zero carb and feel better than they ever have, one 19 years and the other 9 years among a few others, so how is it harmful if it helped them get a lot better? Some have serious problems with plants, some can’t digest many at all and have no choice! I bet you can talk to half the people and get what they said and then the other half do good LC to ZC, so both ways again but you seem to only see one way! Some might not do well at all zero or low carb, that is true! Some do flourish though and you are failing to see the other side of things believe it or not. So I keep an open mind but you need to as well, not everyone is the same and some do better on other things, period.

          • Sean1978

            BTW I googled like you said. Look what I can do

            googling and find things! Keto Adaptation is not ketosis by the way if you research, two different things and when keto adaptation takes place you barely register any ketones on the strips! Here is googling though for you. Learn the difference between preferred or quicker source at times to essential, it’s not needed for life.

            http://irosacea.org/articles.html/rosacea-articles/triggers/rosacea-and-sugar/carbohydrate-not-essential-for-human-survival-r21/
            http://know-facts.com/about-carbohydrates.html

            https://www.facebook.com/drmarkhyman/posts/608974065800013

          • Sean1978
          • I notice that many people criticize – and even attack – Bill Pickersgill for expressing ideas that don’t align with Dr. Perlmutter’s recommendations.

            I don’t know Bill, or Dr. Perlmutter, or any of the others posting here, and without choosing sides, I’d like to encourage everyone to treat others with courtesy, kindness, and respect.

            As with many things, this isn’t necessarily a definitive ‘right and wrong’ subject. There’s plenty of room for interpretation and personal opinion, and ‘agreeing to disagree’ is far nicer than arguing and name-calling.

            Please play nice … thanks.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Joel , thanks . But except for exceptions to the rule like the Inuit , it is a right and wrong subject .Remember what you don’t know or misunderstand can ruin you . Hos 4 : 6 [ Niv ] bible .

          • Miriam Geerlings-Heusschen

            I don’t know where you get your information Bill Pickersgrill, but it is not true. Read: Defy and Conquer: Surviving Terminal Brain Cancer, Intra-Operative Brain Mapping and the Ketogenic Diet and http://www.neurorexia.com/2013/03/24/brain-livin-on-ketones-a-molecular-neuroscience-look-at-the-ketogenic-diet/

          • erin b

            You need to do some updates on your knowledge….and as well educate yourself. Get out of your box and see not everyone is the same and or benefits the same. My god you sound ancient and stuck in your ways. Why are you here, bored and have no life? Please go get one and quickly before you lose the precious one you have.

          • Peg Futrell

            It’s not deadly at all. It’s health promoting. My extended family and I can attest to the reversal of diseases and the establishment of health.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Peg, everyone was told about 15yrs ago , carbs are bad .So in the U.S. no one has been eating carbs but high protein [ meats] everyone eats the fish but not the bun right ?. And look at the results . Kidney problems , gout, arthritis etc . It’s important to eat carbs with protein to keep the blood Ph alkaline instead of acidic this is a fact of basic nutrition .
            High fat [ saturated] clogs the arteries, high protein is hard on the kidneys , leeches calcium from the bones . Again, here’s a simple test, does your breath smell acidic,? not good , almost all cancer shows an acidic blood Ph .
            What Perlmutter is advocating is flat out wrong . You can get away with it especially when your young if your under 50 , but it will start to break down your body.

          • Peg Futrell

            I did not say that I promote a high protein diet.(High protein diets put a lot of stress on the body.)
            I AM promoting a high (quality) fat diet. And this includes saturated fats. Perlmutter backs his claim of the benefit of carb-restriction along with high fat content with science and his own medical practice, as do many other doctors. (I would be happy to provide a list of such doctors, as well as videos you can watch.) And as I mentioned, I have family members and friends who have turned their health around by a change in diet. The move toward health begins within a few weeks of the change in diet.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Peg, you do not want a high saturated fat diet from animal meats [ red, pork ] the American diet . Science say’s carbs are the body’s main source of fuel not protein or fat, google it, tell me what it say’s . Dr.’s are terrible they blow of the basics to make everything real complicated to massage their ego’s . The bible warns against putting your trust in Dr.’s Mk 5 : 26 [ Niv] bible . The worst thing you can do is listen to what Dr.’s tell you about eating . A high animal fat diet clogs the arteries , you want fish and chicken which is low fat [ saturated] .

            You will eventually have all kinds of health problems if you stay low carb, high fat and or protein . And besides high fat means high protein, which is what meat from animals is .

            It depends on your age how long you can go being in a state of Ketosis , and you ‘ve only been on it a little while . Again smell your own breath a simple test to tell if your blood Ph is acidic . What your doing is terrible, I urge you to stop . You don’t understand Dr.’s are arrogant their not God, it’s foolish to believe anything they say because their Dr.’s .

          • Peg Futrell

            The science I read confirms my personal experience with high fat low carb as being extremely healthy. I am older, have been on this diet many years, and have experienced a total reversal of health issues. Those of all ages to whom I have recommended the diet change, have reversed these diseases: cancer, pcos, diabetes, heart disease, rheumatoid arthritis, mental issues .. too many diseases to mention. So … I don’t know what science you’re adhering to, but it’s wrong. Let’s leave it at that, because I can see that you are not open minded. You must work for the food industry? Let’s face it, the food industry loves carbs. They are cheap, have a long shelf life, and they make tons of money from shelling out this crap. Along with the toxic industrial seed oils that they put on the shelves. And people’s consumption of breakfast foods (carbs) and carbs/sugars for lunch and dinner as well, has gone up and not down as you claim. That is why diabetes is growing exponentially world wide. It is costing the US a million bucks a minute. Wake up and smell the coffee cake!

          • Bill Pickersgill

            You never answered my question what is the body’s main source of fuel tell me, go online, how hard is this, it’s complex carbs today, the year 2016 , Hello! your the one who needs to wake up , get your head out of perlmutter s behind because that’s were he has his . The science you read what are you talking about?, science say’s carbs are the body’s main source of fuel , not protein or fat .
            I can’t believe people like you still think Dr.’s are God and whatever they come out with you follow . No one’s eating whole grains , fruit/ veg wake up that’s exactly why everyone is so unhealthy . How could something” whole” be bad<? ridiculous . And your right about the refined sugary cereals, but besides that it's lots of meats in the U.S. [ red meat , pork , lunch meats, bacon , sausage, ham , which clogs the arteries and causes heart attacks .
            Vegiterians never have heart attacks because they eat" no" animal meats , checkmate .

          • BrutalPatriot

            Wrong! This is research going back to a Mayo Clinic study in 1924. No one study counters this. As a matter of fact, there are dozens of studies to prove your comment false, including the studies for epilepsy and Parkinson’s, both benefit from low carbs.

            Google a little research before looking like a dope.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            I admitted that Ketosis may help with certain medical conditions , but it creates other health problems . There’s an old saying the “cure is worse than the disease” . Complex carbs are what the body is set up for a scientific fact there are exceptions to the rule as in everything in the universe .

            Plant based [ whole grains, fruit/ veg] is the healthiest way to eat . The breakdown of the macro- nutrients should be 65% carbs 25% protein 15 % fat . Then, if you have a health problem like epilepsy, you take herbs as well as essential oils and even flower remedies [ Bach] .

            You would know these things if you didn’t have your head up Dr.’s asses so much . Quit listening to them they butcher basic nutrition , they don’t know what there talking about .

            Just the other day a women who worked at a health food store a former dietician even said to me, she always learned, Ketosis was not a state you want to be in . Wake up . Just about nothing that comes out “today” is true, but nonsense Isa 59 : 15 Niv bible .

            As the saying goes “if it’s new it can’t be true , and if it’s true it’s not new”. The above is all true, and if you don’t believe it, you will eventually ruin your health 11 Thess 2 : 10 Niv bible .

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            Ronen, nope, not quite. While GSH is extraordinarily important it is not be the be and end all of this topic. And as far this being the rate limiting factor for a ‘return to homeostasis’, well, that statement opens a pretty large can of worms.

          • What do you mean by “be the be”?
            Glutathione is the most important compound compounded in the cellular level. Cells are the building blocks of the entire body. Unless you think that there is defective design, when we restore perfection to the cells function, everything will return to equilibriume (unless something was totally damaged beyond repair).
            Providing the cell with the nutrients it needs to maximize the production of GSH is crucial for any health improvement. When you follow any treatment, diet, supplements, products or any technology that make positive improvements you will find: elevation of Cellular GSH. If you need help with research, you are welcome to contact me directly by email or phone.
            Thank you for your great work.
            Regards,
            Ronen Brown

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            sorry, meant to write “be all and end all” It’s a fairly common expression.

          • Right, it is not “all and end all” but it is “first and foremost ” and when you have a way to maximize it via non intrusive Oral Application, you got a breakthrough that can result in elimination of most chronic health challenges. It’s hard to overcome the barrier but you can do if when do a good research.
            My ofer is stil on, if you need help with research.

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            Ronen, Turns out that I agree with you. After O2 and H2O, GSH may be the most important molecule we require. Many may not agree, but until I understand differently, that’s my take. And as far as my research, mine is all clinical, with real warm patients.

          • Correct and thanks for your reply.
            O2 and H2O are more important but they are not compounded in our bodies. GSH is compounded in the cells.
            As a researcher and Medical professional you probably will appreciate being able to help your patients to Maximize the Cellular GSH.
            I will be happy to share with you how it can be done, easily, with a recent patented molecule that is Natural to the body and does not have any negative effect. In fact, it does not interfere with any natural processes.
            My invitation is open ended to you, your patients and any good people in the world.

            Keep the good work you do for others,

            Ronen Brown

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            The biochemistry of depression are known entities. There are core neurotransmitters and hormones at play, but among those are an entire cast of other lesser characters which modify the expression. To say there is one kind, or two kinds, or 5 kinds, is just unprofessional . Admittedly, I have not read Dr Walsh, so I don’t know how s/he presents his/her case.

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        • mikemarkham

          A quick FYI, you can ingest a cup of chicken broth every day to make up for the initial salt lost in keto-adapting. This helps to prevent the short-term headaches sometimes associated with it.

          • Dr Scott Einhorn

            Mike, that is just one reason among many for the headcahes

        • deedee

          I started a similar diet for hopefully better control of my overmedicated Epilepsy. The first few days I felt awful, headache, queasy and not hungry. I took Tylenol for the headache and started eating smaller amounts of healthy foods. My neurologist is not terribly in favour but its my body. I ended up having some orange juice the other day since I had a big seizure and needed sugar.
          Otherwise, at the very least I can say that I am consuming a much healthier diet, and eating at regular intervals is helpful.
          Good Luck

          • JessWundren

            The headache, queasiness you experienced is sometimes called the “Atkins Flu”. As the body goes into a state of ketosis, the body loses a lot of water, because of the diuretic effect. So, the headache and queasiness may be due to being a bit dehydrated, and perhaps loss of some minerals. It’s important, when in ketosis, to drink a lot of water — adults should drink 1 cup per hour — to keep hydrated, and keep kidneys flushed. You can add a little lemon or lime and steep some stevia leaves to sweeten the water. Herbal teas are also good — just stay hydrated.

          • Egghead Einstein

            Ahhhh.. that might explain why I felt as if I were just a few hours away from death… I didn’t drink in a day or two and the diuretic effect, well, I thought I was losing all 98% of the body weight they claim is water and would be just 2% of the remaining molecules hanging out enjoying ourselves.

          • Missle11

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          • Bill Pickersgill

            Jess , what does it tell you when you go ketosis and feel bad , again ketosis is very bad it’s the opposite, you want an alkaline blood Ph not acidic.

          • dcohn

            Yes it is slightly alkaline but you don’t change the PH of your blood by going into Ketosis

            Here is a fact something you seem fond of…….

            Blood pH:
            The bloodstream is the most critically buffered system of the entire body, far more sensitive than any other. Arterial and venous blood must maintain a slightly alkaline pH: arterial blood pH = 7.41 and venous blood pH = 7.36. Because the normal pH of arterial blood is 7.41, a person is considered to have acidosis when the pH of blood falls below this value and to have alkalosis when the pH rises above 7.41.

          • dcohn

            Dehydration

          • Rosie

            so what you are saying, BIll, is that when a heroin addict goes into withdrawal and feels poorly, then he should just get back on the heroin…easier, eh? No, when you omit wheat and other modern grains, you very well may have withdrawal symptoms… that is no excuse not to rid yourself of the poisons. You have little or no knowledge of modern grains and the proteins in them that are detrimental to our digestive tract. You really need to start reading the immense body of work on intestinal bacteria and the legit forms of fiber needed to feed it…

          • Missle11

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        • Angie

          Have you tried cutting out gluten completely? I found that when I chose my carbs I made sure they were non-gluten containing ones and my depression subsided almost 100%.

        • Invest_It

          My depression has been enormously improved by following a gluten and casein free diet too. Also improving my adrenals with celtic sea salt, lugols iodine, certain vitamins and minerals and over the winter months I add lithium orotate 5 mg daily. Don’t let the word lithium scare you, lol
          Lithium aspartate and lithium orotate are gaining recognition as supplements that can help decrease signs of brain aging, slow dementia, and fight depression and addiction. Lithium is a mineral that has long been used in the treatment of bipolar disorder, also known as manic depression. Although the drug can be toxic in HIGH doses, lithium supplements may appeal to those seeking to treat brain illnesses with natural, over-the-counter remedies.

        • Shirley Moore

          I’ve been on my deit two weeks and was bored ragit so I thought I would have a sugar fix . God was I sorry vomiting diarrhoea…that was my big reality check….my mood has leved out …

        • Kat Milacek

          And, if you’re vegan (like me) you can ingest salt water or vegetable broth. . it’s really the salt you’re after. You’re probably detoxing and having detox symptoms. . . keep going.

        • Jennifer

          Magnesium helped my headaches so much when I started a ketone iv. I thought I was getting a full out migraine a few times, took a magnesium tablet and they went away.

        • thought4004

          There are several factors that contribute to headaches on a diet. The #1 reason for them is water consumption. You need to have at least 8 glasses of water a day (8 oz glasses). The other thing is, you can’t just remove carbs from your life. You need to have a healthy low carb diet, like Atkins, Southbeach, Paleo, or some tested version. If you just eat meat, you’ll end up very sick. I just use MyFitnessPal.com to manage my carbs. I set my goals to 5% carbs, and then the rest on Fat and Protein. Then pick a calorie level that has you 500 calories below what you burn doing nothing.

        • Dr Scott Einhorn

          The headache is actually a pretty common phenom. One must hang in there, and it should have passed. Why it happens is a bit too much explanation for this venue.

      • Beth Gore Helker

        I also find a keto diet offsets my cravings…….for sugar, salt and nicotine. I think it’s because my anxiety reaches an all time low when I eat a very low carb diet.

        • Matthew Indigo Curtin

          I have had a problem with candidaisis and i think being in ketosis will help this. Candida causes most of the symptoms people are saying got better such as brain fog, anxiety, depression, fatigue, joint pain, etc. I would love to hear from some of the knowledgeable people on here about this and how to get into ketosis. There are now several MLM companies hawking products that put you into ketosis right away, but they seem very expensive and look like $20 products being sold for $100. I do not wish and input from the negative trolls on here. Dr. Perlmutter is awesome ! Matt, http://www.thehealteam.com

          • Matthew Indigo Curtin

            I’m not sure how i will know if someone responded to this !!!

          • Kat Milacek

            I just replied. Did you receive any sort of notification that someone replied?

          • Elizabeth Lavet

            you seem unfamiliar with the internet. google YouTube, click on a link to it, then put in ketogenic in the subject line when You are in YouTube and you will see a list of videos on the subject. Many researchers and professionals as well as individuals are leading you through how to do it. Perhaps you just want someone here to say how they started, because not only is the information in those videos already but there are books galore on it. Have you read Dr. Perlmutter’s books? I am a little confused – you know the term negative trolls but don’t know how you would see the reply. I have had a lot of my questions about computer use answered by my local library.

          • erin b

            If a person want this information it is so very easy to obtain. I find it frustrating when people won’t do their own work owning their journey, but want to teach others how to….laughable.
            I think you replied very well and I completely agree.
            Thank you!

          • Nancy Wilkerson

            I don’t want to sound offensive Erin B, but I kinda feel like that a little bit. U see, I have Narcolepsy that is out of control, drugs no longer keep me awake. So….going on the internet to do research about something like ketogenic diets, is a recipe for a sleep attack in the making. Fortunately, I have recently stumbled upon a support group for narcoleptics that has numerous people who have triumphantly succeeded in treating themselves naturally, ie; mainly thru diet changes. By the grace of God, they have gone thru all the trials and errors, and are only too happy to share w/people like me who are still living in a narcolepsy brain fog, how to shoot for success a little quicker. I for one am eternally grateful for their generousity in this! I might add, I am aware how “so very easy” it is to obtain this info, but if ur not awake long enough to jump thru all the bells and whistles etc, u don’t get very far! This is coming from one very hopefull person with narcolepsy!!

          • Roz

            @nancywilkerson:disqus I agree Nancy. Everyone has a reason for reaching out. Maybe they just need a word or two to see that they’re on course. Maybe they’ve tried and failed others in the past and are looking for a starting tip. Maybe they’re actually just looking for a little camaraderie. Furthermore, when someone is starting this whole journey, the last thing they need is put downs of any kind from anyone. It can be a bit of a frightening journey to start, especially when there is so much false information out there.

            If you can take the time to write 30-100 words of negativity, then you can take the time to offer helpful tips based on your experience with the keto diet instead. The latter is much kinder and less offensive.

          • HHansen

            Hello I am new to this forum, so hopefully I can get some answers….. I am 3 weeks in on full ketogentic diet and it is easy for me, as I have followed low carb for some years now and even paleoish I say ish because my bank account cant afford everything to bee 100% organic. And I missed my cheese and nuts so fast forward to last night and my intense research about why my scalp is so itchy and flaky and oily? Am I detoxing yeast? Also have not had a yeast infection in over 10 years or a uti and I got both 2 times in the last 2 months. This lead me to leaky gut syndrome. Brain fog, sometimes, all have had constipation issues regardless of my intense exercise and strict healthy eating and probiotics galore. I feel I have some symptoms of a leaky gut, the yeast issues makes me confirm my research that I do have leaky gut. So with all that said will being in ketosis cure my yeast/leaky issue or make it worse? Is my yeast dying off and showing up in my scalp? Will staying in ketosis cure the leaky gut and all its issues or do I need to get other supplements on top of diet to fix leaky gut… So much info out there and I cant take another article about it as I scratch my head and flakes fall out. Will drinking apple cider vinegar help, aminos, milk thistle the list goes on… Help!!! Sorry for spelling errors. I’m desperate for a response and a protocol to get my yeast in check…. I have started on a womans probiotic called vaginal care and its pricy but no infections since, so that is not my worry its fixing my itchy embarrassing scalp!

          • HHansen

            and fixing my leaky gut! Any help or advice would be appreciated

          • eileenfb1948 .

            You may need to change over to this diet more slowly. Apple cider vinegar helps correct the ph in the stomach. And much more.
            Make sure you eat enough salad greens.
            Also,brightly coloured veg which grows above the ground,
            and sulfur rich veggies such as kale,cabbage.
            Don’t go overboard,with the protein. 40-50g per day is usually enough.

          • LyndaF

            HHansen,
            I suffered from these scalp symptoms for 2 years while eating low carb. I finally figured out that I was histamine intolerant. Many of the healthy foods like cheese, yogurt, sourkraut, spinach, leftovers and more were overloading my system. Look it up and see if it might be your problem.

          • tickyul

            Yeah, I used to eat a lot of
            canned-fish…..caused sneezing and itching, very high in histamine. Started eating frozen fish and the sneezing and itching basically went away…..and my reflux got much better.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Ketosis is terrible, it’s what you want to stay out of ,that’s why you have all these health problems . Complex carbs are the body’s main source of fuel not protein or fat . Check out my site[ foundation of nutrition the bible] . Google it .

          • deborah

            ketoacidosis is what you mean, a very different thing. ketosis is a normal state for mammals, & has always been so. Dealing with excessive carbs, as in the standard american diet, is hard on a body. It’s the insulin. https://www.dietdoctor.com/?s=it%27s+the+insulin

          • AnnieLaurie Burke

            Man during the Paleolithic era, and many people living a paleolithic lifestyle until recently, did quite well with a natural diet and no knowledge of the Bible whatsoever, thank you very much. Regardless of how one views the Bible as a religious text, it strains one’s credulity to think that a small Bronze-Age population, confined to a small geographic area of the Near East, not known for their success in the areas of health, art, empire building, or anything else, had all the answers on physiological well-being for all of mankind for the ages. I respect everyone’s religious freedom, but, please, let’s base dietary advice on science. Even US “scientists” have gotten themselves into untenable positions over the last several decades by failing to do so.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Your brain fog is because you eliminated carbs , they are the brains primary source of fuel .

          • deborah
          • Paula Gervais

            Matthew if I mean maybe is so bold to tell you can Candida stems from eating lots of sugar and white flour products hands carbohydrates stuff eliminate those things out of your diet you’ll see a drastic change. I speak from experience I did this 6 years ago I went gluten-free and sugar-free and it really worked hope this helps

          • Matthew Indigo Curtin

            Thanks doing that. I just ate gluten this week and felt bad. The big question I have also is which probiotic will actually colonize the colon. Nothing see to work for me.

          • Roz

            Try Align or a broad spectrum. It also really depends how bad your candida is. Sometimes, a probiotic at the wrong time can only make things worse.

          • Rob Bigs

            Candidiasis usually stems from antibiotic usage or disruptions in oral flora.

          • Roz

            That wasn’t enough for me. I had to use medications. Furthermore, I started to cut out fruit as well. Lots of things can feed candida, including yeast products.

          • Rob Bigs

            Candidiasis has nothing to do with joints, anxiety etc. Its a fungal infection. No product can put you into ketosis, ketosis happens when you don’t eat sugar or simple carbs. Once your body depletes the glycogen stored in your liver, it uses fat as an energy source. Thats what ketosis is. Once this starts you can see relatively dramatic weight loss.

          • Greystone

            My friend is a Chinese Medicine was medical doctor in China, Taught me a few things, so many people eat so much of the wrong things even mega amounts meat is discouraged because of high urea. Another thing he mentioned was that gluten and dairy have a cross reaction, pretty toxic reaction. There are is something also found in certain ice creams that cause flu-like symptoms ,sinus infections and migraines, Do your own research on this . Gluten should be avoided altogether. Avoid all GMO, eat fresh organic food. People also eat too much sugar and carbs. over eating is one of the worst habits because it destroys the strength of the organs ,general health and immunity. Now, get this in China most people do not eat dinner to give the body time to rest, and not to over burden the organs. Many people are sick and medical doctors find no issues, then the person goes an naturopathic doctor or Chinese medicine doctor they find Candida overgrowth has been wreaking havoc on the person health. They also found many times test results are negative for candida, and at the autopsy the person body is filled with candida . Most of these doctors will treat the clinical expression of candida. Candida may have biofilms, so this needs to be dissolved in order to kill it some people use serrapeptase, or Laurcidin , enzymes to dissolve biofilms. For something of that magnitude It is best to get with an expert that understand the levels of attack, defense and detoxification. Here is the shocker 88% of people that went to MAYO for second opinion were misdiagnosed initially. Wise to get five or six opinions. Many people have Lyme and the testing method hospitals used were flawed so it turned into chronic Lyme or they were misdiagnose to begin with . Now the experts in the field use a test that identifies the DNA of the pathogens and isolated co-occuring infections. My point is do your homework, and investigate ask the real experts in the field, not just some general practitioner or your family MD. A simple fast will put into Ketosis , just use a ketostix to find out if you are there.

      • Shawni

        Hello Jennifer, I’m on da 6 of the Atkins diet. It’s working for me so far and I’ve lost about 5-6 pounds. My only complaint is the leg cramps. Trying to be patient o get through this because I need to lose more weight and I am drinking a lot of water as well. Any tips??

        • Rachel

          Hi Shawni I am not a doctor but chances are you probably need more sodium and magnesium – your requirements for this are higher on a low carb diet. And you need to drink bone broth for the minerals it will provide

          • Cheryl Anderson

            I bought some pacific bone broth I really like it but is that ok, it has 9 grams
            of protein and no fat

          • Rosie

            you could always add some organic butter or some coconut oil to boost the fat

          • bonnieblue2A

            Make your own bone broth at home. It is cheaper, easy and healthy if you are purchasing locally raised free range chickens, turkeys, and ducks not raised on GMO feed.

          • Egghead Einstein

            Well god dammit maybe she should just raise the turkeys in her spare bedroom too?! 🙂 just kidding.

          • Missle11

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        • Steph Kneld

          Go and get some magnesium…. that will assist with the leg cramps.

          • Egghead Einstein

            I get electrical zaps, magnesium saves me every time within an hour.

          • Missle11

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        • mikemarkham

          I’m quite experienced with researching the symptoms. Many people shoot at the moon and proclaim it is potassium and/or magnesium deficiency. However, more often than not it is dehydration. It wouldn’t hurt to add additional sodium also.

        • Amanda Steelman

          Drinking bone broth and eating an avocado a day is a great way to stop the leg cramps for me. It might help you too 🙂

        • Angie

          Shawni, try a topical magnesium directly on legs at night. It enters the bloodstream more readily and efficiently.

        • lea perrins

          Nettle infusion would be my tip. Late reply I know but I thought I would put it out there. About an ounce of nettles into a quart jar with boiling water, cover and let sit for at least four hours. This should be drank all day as much as possible. Nettles are high in minerals and many nutrients. They detoxify the body, prevent disease and help protect against bone density issues. One of my favourite and cheapest herbs (often free) to recommend.

      • Bob

        If you’re depression doesn’t seem escapable from changing your diet and thought patterns alone, cognitive therapy (aka psychotherapy) with blinking lights and what seems like a form of hypnosis has proven to be very effective for many, including myself. I highly recommend it. Also look into bringing more consciousness into your daily life as well as daily meditiation. If you have a hard time staying focused when meditating like I do, guided meditations via YouTube are great.

      • spacebirdmom

        Me, too – I have had very little problem with depression with the LCHF diet – I had a lot of problems previously.

      • Missle11

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      • Grisly Atoms

        JenniferO wrote “Going on a ketogenic diet cleared up my depression.”

        Me too!

      • you want might to also make sure you are getting enough B-vitamins. If you start eating carbs and your depression comes back it may be due to lack of B-vitamins in carbs and snack foods. Either way it might be a good idea to check your B12 at least. hope you stay well!

      • jgmurphy

        I can concur heartily. Several years back, appalled by the practices of the meat industry, I went vegetarian. While it soothed my conscience it did nothing for my personal problems such as bloat, mood swings and (the shame of the middle aged woman!) incontinence. I have found that avoiding not only bread and wheat but just about all high carb foods has created a dramatic turnaround. I think more clearly, have fewer temper outbursts, have much more patience…And my teeth thank me every day!

      • Paula Gervais

        Id be interested in knowing what you did as is hard to find specifics on the keto diet. Too much info on Internet but nothing structured. I do not suffer from depression bit med to lose 45 lbs

      • Marilyn K Juliana

        I too was rid of my depression once I started eating a ketogenic diet along with some other health issues and weight! I am down 96 lbs and still going. Be sure to give it time and remember to keep your salt intake up–you might be feeling tired and off because your electrolytes are depleted. This can be easily remedied by increasing pink himalayan salt and taking magnesium daily. I take about 1/2 tsp extra salt per day plus salt my food and I use pink himalayan salt–don’t use reg white table salt. A ketogenic diet is naturally dieuretic and because we urinate more often we flush out important electrolytes.

    • Piter Nortug

      the first thing that disappeared when i dropped sugar and grains ( all), is my depression with many physical improvements as side effects. the first few weeks can be cranky, but one must be a little patient until the body adapts to the state of fat burning. the fluctuation in blood sugar, when i ate lots of sugar disguised as pasta, danish, icecream, nutella etc, made my mood 90% of the time bad. now, with excellent blood sugar control it is the other way round. i still have bad days, rarely, but they are much more manageable. i am up 90% of the time, no pills. just fish oil, some tryptophan, real food (max 1 or 2 ingridients), no trans fats,magnesium and most important vit. d , excercise and good regular sleep. could not think i would be in this state a couple of years ago. good books too, like grain brain, why zebras don’t get ulcers, ecc.

    • guest

      A ketogenic paleo diet fixed my depression and basically stopped my panic attacks. I used to have two per day and now I have maybe 4 per year.

      • David Perlmutter

        Great to hear. Hopefully you can further reduce that number.

      • mikemarkham

        Most of the Paleo crowd shudder at the sound of ketosis, as if it is extremely undesirable. A word of warning when talking with them 😉

      • Egghead Einstein

        I have never eaten very much, always been thin, and through decades of insanity of various types not once in my life have I been depressed, so indeed there must be something to it. When i do eat more than minimally I do feel generally like shit, but I would not call it quite depressed. Then again, my anorexic aunt RIP didn’t exactly look like the happiest camper either.

    • Vthayer

      When I first started I felt great in some ways and terrible in others. I wasn’t sure if it was the supplements and if so, which one, or if it was something I was consuming such as; coconut milk/oil. Here is what I have learned; By sticking with what is recommended I observed I have been feeling better and better. Everything that was promised is coming to pass. My depression is getting so much better, I have energy..much, much more energy and I can’t figure out which/what is helping me so much! I now just push forward with the recommendations, both with the foods and supplements. I think it may be that our bodies don’t just instantly respond, it takes time and the longer you are living your life this way the more benefits you see and feel. I have been on this program for about a month and not everyday has been wonderful. I have had slips and been a “bad girl!” but I got right back on it and today I caught myself reading fine print without my glasses..several times! Did I mention my increased cognition? I am much sharper now….already! Can’t wait to see myself in 6 months!!!

    • naturally paleo

      Serotonin is metabolized from an amino acid (part of a protein) called tryptophan so from a generalistic view point it should not deprive you of serotonin on low carb. Also yes omega 3’s in fish oil is very effective for depression but if it’s rancid oil you’re consuming (which makes up the majority of fish oils) it can be very counter productive. Vitacost brand cod liver oil is the best i’ve ever bought for the price and it’s fresh because they replace the oxygen with nitrogen before bottling. I would take 1 T a day. Consuming wild salmon, sardines, mackarel and other fatty fish is always the best option however. Since depression has been linked to inflammation I would also highly recommend turmeric pills with piperine or bioperine which has been found to help depression in multiple peer reviewed studies.

    • Bill Pickersgill

      Your exactly right the brain is primarily fueled by carbs not protein or fat, a scientific fact.

    • Carol A

      Try getting your neurotransmitter levels measured by NeuroScience Laboratories or Neurogistics.com. If they are out of balance, they can be balanced with TAAT (Targeted Amino Acid Therapy). Sometimes that alone will resolve depression. If you still need an antidepressant, it can’t work as it should without a full complement of neurotransmitters. TAAT did wonders for me.

    • rbmindful

      I don’t know the ins-and-outs of serotonin production, but the mental clarity, energy and mood for me on a ketogenic diet are like nothing I have ever experienced. I had decades of deep clinical depression. Good therapy and SSRI’s got me to the point where the depression was very manageable. My keto diet has taken me to levels of health and functioning that I could only have fantasized about before. I had some energy and mood struggles getting adjusted to the diet. There are good suggestions for dealing with “keto flu” in some of the other responses here. The book “Keto Clarity” is also an excellent guide.

    • abcd

      Depression treatment. A medical doctor I heard about 3 years ago, indicated that the scientific evidence for treating depression with (a high enough dose of safe) omega 3 fatty acids from fish oil is stronger than the evidence for treating depression with anti depressants. [ Also, the scientific evidence is stronger for anti depressant users who also take (a high enough dose of safe) fish oil, than the evidence is for anti depressant users who do not also take fish oil. ] Personally, I would never advise taking anti depressants, especially for women. I understand that they are brain damaging in the long term and increase one’s risk for Alzheimers. But I’d leave it to Dr. Perlmutter or his qualified staff to publicly speak to that.

    • abcd

      About depression treatment. A medical doctor whom I heard about 3 years ago, indicated that the scientific evidence for treating depression with (a high enough dose of safe) omega 3 fatty acids from fish oil is stronger than the evidence is for treating depression with anti depressants. [Also, the doctor indicated, the scientific evidence is stronger for anti depressant users who also take (a high enough dose of safe) fish oil, than the evidence is for anti depressant users who do not also take fish oil.] Personally, I would never advise taking anti depressants, especially for women. I understand that they are brain damaging in the long term and increase one’s risk for Alzheimers, beyond even the too-high average. But I’d leave it to Dr. Perlmutter or his qualified staff to publicly speak to that.

    • Elizabeth Lavet

      Below is some good information. When I quit the food I was addicted to I got very depressed because I was used to having an allergy addiction to it, creating drug like substances in my brain. I cried easily and often for a time. Went to some open 12 step programs to help me get through it, such as over eaters anon, ACOA, etc. The ketogenic diet may either eliminate some things you are allergic to or have food sensitivities to – a different antibody reaction – or it may cause you to eat more of something you actually have a hidden food allergy to – in either case it may cause a resultant depression withdrawal. It took about 28 days for me to get over loosing my food addictions/allergies. Since you would be giving up grains/gluten, you might feel bad just from this. A food log might help you pin point if you are having problems what that might be. You also might be histamine intolerant. I ate more lemon and histamine foods on a ketogenic grain free diet. You might need to consult a doctor versed in functional medicine if you decide to try anything. You have asked a good question about how burning ketones will likely change the way your body produces serotonin. There are doctors very knowledgeable in ketogenic diets that do phone consults, but first watch as many videos as you can. Remember, each person is different, if you have had on going problems with depression no one would suggest you proceed doing anything without a doctors supervision, surely by now you know that. If I run across any information that pertains to your question I will hit another reply to you and send you the link. Gathering info. is always good.

    • Jacy

      Giving up carbs took away my depression. I strive to stay in ketosis
      just to keep depression at bay. All though I found that at
      http://getupandgetmoving she gave me lot’s of tips on low carbs but some
      good carbs I have brought back healthy carbs and I still feel wonderful
      just feel like I have no brain fog when eating the good carbs. I have
      heard that no carbs can cause some depression for some people for most I
      have talk to taking out the junk took away their depression all
      together. I love low carb diets because they keep the weight off and
      keep me healthy. best wishes

    • Anonymous Catholic

      Try the “Maker’s Diet” and take fish oil. Therein lies the cure I believe. And never eat gluten, be cautious with dairy, A2 is best.

    • Stephen Edward Mapstone

      I’m going to agree with JenniferO. After two hospitalizations and one suicide attempt switching to ketogenic diet cleared up my depression as well. Completely med free right now after being on a combination of Effexor and Wellbutrin.

    • Michael Heffez

      Try using BCAAs and also try and incorporate electrolytes. Depression problems solved! 🙂

    • eileenfb1948 .

      Sounds,as though you would need to very slowly change your diet to allow digestion to improve. Google Cider vinegar for better digestion, it helped me a lot – one teaspoon in a large jug of water, drink when required. Do not take it neat.

    • Aitart

      Serotonin is made in your intestine more than in your brain and not eating carbs and sugar will promote a healthy bowell who in return will produce more serotonin.

      • Bill Pickersgill

        Wrong , serotonin used by the brain must be produced” by” the brain , a fact.

  • Sally Walker

    After reading Grain Brain and following the eating plan for approximately 4 weeks, I am experiencing fatigue rather than more energy. Has anyone else had this experience, and if so, what did you do?

    • Mac

      Hi Sally. I managed to avoid these symptoms in my transition, but my girlfriend experienced what you are describing. Reading a book by Phinney and Volek at the time, they described it as a salt deficiency that is common when pursuing a ketogenic diet. Essentially, high carb diets cause your body to retain salt and water, but the transition to low carb causes you to dump both, reducing your blood pressure and potentially causing fatigue. My GF started liberally salting her foods and the symptoms went away. Phinney and Volek, I believe recommended the drink of a cup of beef or chicken broth every day for the same effect.

      • Vanessa

        Hi Mac & Sally
        Another recommendation I’ve heard is to drink a cup of chicken broth in the morning & at lunch to add back the salt to solve the electrolyte imbalance that occurs when you first start on a low carb diet.

      • Montagu

        Good point about salt. Now in my first month of transition from low carb to ketosis, I have experienced fatigue more frequently than before. I think I have underestimated the amount of salt I need daily when in ketosis: a total of 5g/day — which means about 2-3g/day in meals + 2g/day in fluids according to Phinney and Volek’s book “Art & Science of Low Carbohydrate Living,” p. 150.

        Also, because I eat only 2 complete meals/day (brunch + supper), I think I was not replenishing my salt or my water as quickly as my kidneys flushed it out while on a grain-free low carb diet.

        So I started adding a little salt to my Gerolsteiner mineral water between meals. I also drink a mug of home-made bone broth when I have a batch available, instead of tea.

        When I go for too long without salt and fluid, I found a mildly salty drink resolved the fatigue within about 30 minutes to 1 hour. The home-made bone broth works best, probably because it’s supplying even more healthy minerals & nutrients than the mineral water.

    • Bellagirl105

      Hello Sally,
      I found that if I had any dairy, artificial sweeteners (other than 100%pure stevia), starch or sugar of any kind or amount (like the berries or wild rice on the diet), it would throw me out of ketosis and I would start to feel lethargic and crave sugar again. I believe some people are far more sensitive to carbs than others, me being an example. When I removed the foods I mentioned, I was able to get back into ketosis within a few days and get my energy back. Hope this helps you!

    • Gingerken

      Hi Sally,

      Dr Perlmuttter has mentioned on the blog, a number of other foods that could still be causing problems for some individualy. You mght want to take a look at the list to see what you are eating, and maybe eliminate all, then add one at a time back in to figure out what may need to be eliminated from your own diet.

    • sharon

      I DEFINITELY HAVE LESS ENERGY. i’M 3 1/2 WEEKS INTO IT. i STILL MANAGE TO EXERCISE, BUT AM NOT AT FULL STEAM. I THINK I AM READY FOR THE HIGHER CARB COUNT (60 G) NOW, BUT i WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL BLOOD TESTS WERE DONE TO SEE IS MY INFLAMMATION MARKERS ARE DOWN.

      • mikemarkham

        CAP LOCKS IS ON.

        It can take people several weeks to adjust.

    • Missle11

      I found this amazing way to put your body in ketosis in one hour and it’s provable scientifically with ketone strips. Please let me know what you think.

      http://ketonemissle.pruvitnow.com

      mguzman81@gmail.com

  • Louise

    My neurologist suggested your book after I admitted I had made my huge improvements in my own condition by fasting and Atkins dieting, plus SCD. I was very nervous about admitting to fasting and was expecting a negative lecture on safety. But I had to tell him something because many medications had become unnecessary and I felt better and more functional than I had in over a decade. I can’t wait to read your book and am incredibly pleased that my alternative approach to getting my life back is welcomed. I wasn’t going to keep deteriorating. No way.
    The first time I experienced ketosis it’s like my body went from screaming to silence. Then it was a matter of emotions. Should I cry in relief, or rail against a mainstream that kept this secret from me? And they even tried to discredit the method. I did cry, I knew I had a tool, finally a real tool, real hope. Maybe I couldn’t ever feel like I did, before anything was wrong, but if I think back, I never was not-sick. So just functional will do me fine. Thank you for writing on this subject.

    • Christine in CT

      I know how you feel. I have struggled with my weight and “brain fog” since I was 10 years old so that is 47 years!! The only program that worked, miraculously, was the “liquid protein diet”. But I was told by many doctors that prolonged ketosis was bad and so began the up and down of medical tests, diets and even being monitored in a hospital to make sure that I was only consuming a hi carb milkshake 3 times a day and all the doctors just shook their heads because they believed it was impossible for me to “not loss weight”. I watched Dr. Perlmutter on CPTV the other night and just cried. He was proposing that the very program that I need to be on was actually healthy and good for me!! I have ordered the materials and can’t wait for them to arrive!! This is especially critical as I wake up and go to bed every day with joint and muscle pain AND my Dad and Grandfather both died with dementia. I have been checked every year of my life by all types of doctors and they don’t understand why their tests don’t show what is wrong. I am a walking body of inflammation and started immediately with turmeric tea 3 times a day and went through the recipes that are on this web site and then placed an order for the organic spices and coconut oil from my favorite Spice Company so I will be ready when Dr. Perlmutter’s program arrives. Louise, you have inspired me to try more fish. We grew up in a household with no fish so this will be an adventure. thank you for sharing your journey.

  • tannngl

    We have been on a keto diet, low carb and gluten free for about 4 1/2 months. I get patches of psoriasis like lesions on my elbows every winter. My elbows are smooth and healthy! Never happened this year! And could it be? My neck had a lot of nevi. They are disappearing.

    I’m watching for more good things for my husband and I as we continue with this great way of life!
    Thank you, Dr. Perlmutter!!!!!!

    • David Perlmutter

      Glad to hear of your success. Keep it up!

      • Tamar LiCalzi

        Hi Dr. Perlmutter. I want to be on a ketosis diet (I am on a keto type diet but still get to much carbs from veggies) As an athlete and physique competitor how many calories do I need to maintain muscle mass while burning fat on an 80 to 90% fat diet. I understand the benefits if it and am generally 70 percent fat bit my body stopped responding to it. Actually I built incredible amounts of muscle while eating like this. I have no desire for sugar at all and gave be for all most a year. I just want ri be able to go to the bathroom daily. I am 5’10” weigh 155lbs and need to lean Down to 140 to compete. I train for 2-3 hours per day when prepping for a show. What should my calorie aim be?

        • David Perlmutter

          For those who engage in high-intensity athletics Tamar, like yourself, I allow for 901-00g/day of carbs, instead of 50-60.

          • Tamar LiCalzi

            Thank you. What if you have Sibo and to many carbs are hard to digest? I have a hard time digesting food all together.

          • Louise

            Well I can’t speak for Dr. Perlmutter, but I can speak for myself, I have severe problems with digesting carbs, probably some kind of SIBO, and I find that fasting helps kill off the bad germs, especially if I go from keto to fasting to coming off of the fast with good yogurt as part of my plan. One of the endgame treatments for the worst of Crohn’s disease is something called NPO/TPN and the reason it works I think is because it kills off all the flora. Even the Natural Hygiene people back in the 1930’s who were inveterate fasters believed that fasting killed off or made the flora dormant and that was part of the therapeutic value, so focus on the part of the Grain Brain book that talks about fasting if you have SIBO. I think it takes a few days of fasting to get the flora to actually die off though. Not just a 24 hour fast, but you may have to work up to it. Go easy on yourself and maybe find a professional to help you out. That said, there are hundreds of fasting videos on youtube of various quality.

            As for results, for me, I can now feel fairly safe digesting rice again, which was completely off the menu before. I still stick to the SCD plan most of the time though, just to be safe, but it’s wonderful to be able to have crunchy crackers!

          • Tamar LiCalzi

            Thank you Louise. I read the whole book. Best book ever. I bought it when it was released. I actually fasted foe 5 whole days. And now I intermittent fast everyday. I still do a multi day fast every couple of months. And when I say I don’t eat sugar in any form other than green veggies I don’t. I know the IF and keto based diet has worked for me as I don’t get cravings during my menstrual cycle or during stressful times. I also have Hashimotos, Celiac Sprue, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Pernicious Anemia, and asthma amongst Sibo, leaky gut, and degenerative arthritis. My diet is extremely limited though I have incorporated grassed butter and cheese back into my diet. Butter and cheese are 2 things I have no issue digesting at all. No bloat no problem. I appreciate your reply and I agree with you about fasting. The intermittent fasting works also. As an athlete I feel stronger and powerful on a high fat diet as my healthy saturated fats have increased which in turn are responsible for increasing your testosterone levels naturally. I have built more muscle and kept fat off on a 3500-4000 calorie per day IF diet than when I ate 6 times a day with carbs and only about 1500 calories per day as most athletes in my sport do. Sometimes even less. ….to try to lose fat. I lost fat and gained muscle on a keto based diet. Now I am ready to start my competition prep on a 2 x per day meal plan cut down to about 2500 calories. Gonna do 80% fat, 15% protein and 5% true ketogenic diet for month 1. Will let everyone know how I am doing. Follow me on IG if you are interested. I am an international fitness model spreading the word on social media about the Grain Brain Lifestyle. @planettamar on In

          • Missle11

            I found this amazing way to put your body in ketosis in one hour and it’s provable scientifically with ketone strips. Please let me know what you think.

            http://ketonemissle.pruvitnow.com

            mguzman81@gmail.com

  • Nikki

    Hello, I am wanting to start this program with my mother who is 68 years old and is experiencing early on set dementia. They have done test and scans on her showing shrinkage of part of her brain. She is diabetic as well as over weight, has sleep apnea, has always taken sleeping pills and has chronic depression. I am sure this will help her lose weight, but as her daughter and watching this dementia start (won’t let her drive), I see her diminishing as a person. I want to know if I/she would see changes in her dementia. I hurt so much for her, I am willing to plan her every meal if this could help reverse symptoms…… Any thoughts and/or experience with situations like this?

    • Ruth Griffith

      besides the keto diet you might want to use ginseng it helps the memory and also it is never to late to use co-q- 10

  • Cyndee

    I would like to ask question with regard to Goat cheeses. Can we have as much as we like or limit the amount?

    • nomoregrain

      Hi Cyndee, according to what I have read http://www.drgundry.com,with all cheese, one inch square a day is all. Like shaved on a salad or in your omelet. This is if one has weight or health issues. It will slow weight loss if we eat too much or I should say if one is experiencing no progress in weight loss better cut it out. Same for nut consumption. So easy to keep gong with nuts but 1/2 cup per day as a snack is good per Dr.G. Im sure Dr. Perlmutter would say similar. They are so similar.

      • Cyndee

        Thank you so much ‘nomoregrain’. That will be hard for me, but worth it in the long run. Also would you happen to know how much honey we can have. Sorry to bother with these ? But I don’t have enuf money for buying the books. I’m on disability.

        • nomoregrain

          sorry haven’t checked this lately cyndee. No honey allowed on Diet Evolution or Grain Brain. We don’t need the results it gives us. Take the sugar of any kind out of your diet and then your brain will switch over and begin to utilize the good fats you are putting in your body instead. Coconut oil, EVOO, avocados, eggs.

          • Ruth Griffith

            I so agree with you our bodys no not need sugar they want it not need it

  • caitlinstj

    I have a couple of questions.
    1. How far into ketosis should one go? The color chart on my test strips shows me as between low and moderate. The instructions say to contact one’s physician if the level is moderate or higher.
    2. Why is hummus ok while other legumes aren’t? I’m assuming that hummus means pureed garbanzos or chickpeas with other ingredients such as olive oil, lemon joice and garlic.
    Thanks for your help

    • Montagu

      If you are using the ketone strips you pee on, they are not as reliable after your body adapts to burning ketones (they only test for excess ketones being dumped from your body). I recommend the “Keto Clarity” book for very thorough instruction about achieving nutritional ketosis and more accurate testing.

      • dcohn

        For just basic PH assessment, unrelated to being diabetic, I was told to use eye tears as the best way to get your PH. Now I cannot swear by this and it is not the simplest thing to get tears but may be worth looking into.

    • gordondev

      The “call your doctor” recommendation is for diabetics. Ketone measuring equipment is made for diabetics, not people specifically looking to be in nutritional ketosis.

      When a diabetic on a standard, non-ketogenic diet, the presence of ketones is a very bad, thing, because it means they’re likely entering the dysfunctional state of ketoacidosis, where blood sugar and ketone levels rise out of control. This is not the same as nutritional ketosis, which the body regulates.

    • Missle11

      I found this amazing way to put your body in ketosis in one hour and it’s provable scientifically with ketone strips. Please let me know what you think.

      http://ketonemissle.pruvitnow.com

      mguzman81@gmail.com

  • Randy King

    Randy King • 21 minutes ago

    How can I get an appointment at the Perlmutter Clinic.
    I have tried for a month. I really need a comprehensive clinician who has experience with Leaky Gut Syndrome and Brain Neurology deprecation like Dr. Perlmutter has. Please reply
    Randy King
    Dallas-willing to travel now!

    • David Perlmutter

      Hi Randy: You can contact my office at (239) 649-7400

      • Lee Penrod

        My area code! I’ve been gluten/sugar free since March 02, 2014 and my whole life has changed. I’m thrilled you’re just a short jaunt away from me should I need you. THANK YOU for sharing your knowledge!

  • Jannicea

    Question about fasting: doesn’t it slow the metabolism down and have the body HOLD onto fat cells? Also, I am hypoglycemic, is there any special instructions regarding fasting? I am reading Grain Brain, looking for answers. thanks!!

    • Cheryl Sacramento

      Hi – I am reading all these posts, and I was wondering also about fasting, as I am a reactive hypoglycemic as well. I can’t go very long without some food in my tummy! Have you reached the ketosis stage?

      • Ruth Griffith

        no u have to eat u have to eat 3 x a day and have a snack at night

      • mikemarkham

        I’ve been in ketosis over four years and have worked up to fasting 2-3 times per week. My 24 hour fast is essentially a lot of water and 2 large cups of coffee w/ coconut oil and HWC. I re-feed in evening.

    • what’s a slow metabolism?

    • gordondev

      The idea that fasting slows metabolism comes from the mistaken idea that eating constantly raises it. Eating raises the metabolism due to the thermic effect of food (TEF), but it’s relative to the amount of food you eat, so it doesn’t matter if you eat 10 meals of 200 calories, or 2 meals of 1000 calories, the TEF is the same. Dr. Jason Fung actually goes into a lot of detail about metabolism and fasting, definitely worth checking out his videos.

      As for the hypoglycemia and fasting, you’ll probably want to ease into it slowly and monitor your blood sugar to ensure it doesn’t drop too low. It shouldn’t be an issue, and should actually improve your hypoglycemia in the long run, but you need to give your body time to adjust. I recommend dropping the sugar and grains, first, though, if you haven’t already. That will help get you off the sugar rollercoaster, allowing you to go longer between meals and eventually implement some sort of fasting protocol if you want.

  • guest

    Hello Dr. Permutter,
    Wondering what you think about alkaline water as an antioxidant?

  • alejandroariza

    Dr. Permutter: so, ketosis is about eating fats more than anything, or just eliminate carbs, because I thought that eliminating carbs is gonna be enough to enter in ketosis.

    • Maryann

      Ketosis is usually achieved on a high fat, moderate protein, low carb diet; everyone has a different tolerance for carbs and protein. “The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living” by Volek and Phinney, or their book “The New Atkins for a New You” with Dr. Westman, are great resources.

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  • Annemarie

    When in ketosis, I noticed not only bad breath but an odor that seeped out of my pores constantly. I lost 75lbs on a low-carb diet that kept me in ketosis for about 8 months straight. After that I had an emflamed stomach, horrible digestive problems and my entire boy’d ph level was off. I was terribly acidic and very unhealthy because of it. I have noticed that no one on this site has mentioned the change in acidity levels or the horrible smell being emitted from your body while being in ketosis. I feel it is not the healthiest state for your body.

    • Montagu

      Quote from the book “Keto Clarity”:

      “there are three types of ketones in the body. The one in the breath is called acetone, and that could be the source of foul breath. Additionally, eating too much protein can also give you bad breath because it produces ammonia (yet another reason to moderate your protein intake). Here’s the good news: the bad breath is temporary and will go away when you become adapted to using ketones as your primary source of fuel.”

      Westman MD, Eric; Moore, Jimmy (2014-08-06). Keto Clarity: Your Definitive Guide to the Benefits of a Low-Carb, High-Fat Diet (p. 147). Victory Belt Publishing. Kindle Edition.

      As the book explains, if you were very acidic and had smelly breath issues for a long time, I would suspect that your protein consumption may have been too high for you to go into or stay in real ketosis, even if you were eating low-carb. When you are very low-carb, your body converts excess protein into glucose.

    • Ruth Griffith

      from what I have read the smell and the things you are talking about is your body detoxing itself from environmental , and chemicals and bad water and so much more . the inflamed stomach could have been your body detoxing bacteria and parasites

  • Dave

    Dr Perlmutter, I am responding to an article on your treatment on Parkinsons with injections of GLUTATHIONE . How much and how often do I need treatment for my Parkinsons

  • LindaR

    After being on celebrex, tylenol with codine and other over the counter pain meds for decades, my kidney function was not normal but had remained stable for years. However, after giving up sugar, gluten, using coconut oil, grass fed butter and olive oil, I was in ketosis, cravings down, losing weight, eating less and less. My last recent bloodwork revealed my creatin levels up to 1.5, no longer stable. WHAT DO I DO? HELP.

  • Beata

    What is the ideal sugar level for weight loss in a ketosin state? How can I easily measure it at home? Thanks:)

    • Ruth Griffith

      no one should eat sugar because cancer feeds on sugar and we all have cancer genes , also watch out for foods that have sugar in them you cant live healthy if you eat sugar and if u must cain sugar is the better choice .

    • gordondev

      Ideal blood sugar for anyone is in the 60-80mg/dL range when fasting. This is for any purpose. Below 60, though, lower is not better.

      You can measure your glucose numbers easily at home by picking up a glucometer at your local pharmacy. A couple of brands also make meters that can also measure your blood ketone levels, but you’ll have to special order them or buy them online. The Nova Max and Precision Ultra are two that I know of.

  • Paula Phillips

    Dr.Perlmutter, I do not want to take up too much of your time nor inquire about something which has already been addressed, therefore feel free to redirect me or refer me elsewhere.

    • gordondev

      Ketoacidosis is a state of both elevated ketones *and* elevated glucose, so if your glucose is normal, you aren’t in DKA. I do recommend picking up a glucometer that also does ketones, so that you have actual numbers for both. Ketostix only measure your “waste” ketones, not what’s actively circulating in your blood.

  • Kristy Penick

    I have a question. I was 3 weeks into eating keto when my doctor ordered labs. One of the test results I am concerned about is my homocysteine level. It was 13.9. Is this a result of the keto diet? Is it something I should be concerned with? Can I lower it with B12, B6, and folate and continue with eating keto? I have done a lot of research and am confused as to what to do. Can a keto diet actually help lower homocysteine levels? Any help and advice with this would be great. My doctor is a functional medicine doctor that promotes paleo but does say keto is ok. I just started with him and unfortunately can not continue with him due to the cost of further tests and any protocol he would have me follow. Again, I am confused and need to know how to proceed. Thank you ahead of time for any and all info and advice.

  • Apparantly David is to busy to be bothered comin here and answering your questions.

    • Douglas Cohn

      And what part of your work are you giving away for free? I apologize in advance but I feel it is very kind of Dr. Perlmutter to host this forum and to answer any questions at all, which he surely has done.

      He, like all of us, needs to make a living.

      • Egghead Einstein

        Most of me agrees with you… until I realize the dude must be online most of his non-working moment so come on Dr. Perlmutter step up to the plate.dude before a competitor comes here daily and steals your show.

        • dcohn

          He was just here as he replied to my comment about spammers. You can be sure that if something requires more input I believe he will do it but the questions were asked and answered multiple times. There is a point where you need to use the search tools a little though I do understand the need and desire for everyone to get personal attention.

          I have experience with this with a vet and a cat website. She gave free help for years and people rarely said thank you. Eventually people starting bickering and the doc just could not take it anymore and stopped giving her advice away for free.

          Bottom line the info is here and being shared. If there is a question not answered that is relevant I believe the doc will step in and reply. If not well then he may simply not have the time to give free help that day and if he is never able to give his time away for free again that is fine. Look at what he has contributed already.

          Think what it takes to buck the industry you are in as he is doing. It takes a lot of Chutzpah to write a book like Grain Brain and he did it. Thankfully it was wildly accepted because he did it right I assume.

          My point is I believe the doc has done his part. He is still creating new pages and yes it helps him sell books. I hope he sells a billion because the more people that learn this the better chance we have for change and get rid of the Monsantos and Bayers of this world.

          Imagine if we could have no more GMOs and no more spraying poisons to kill the grasses that our environment requires to remain intact. That is what the goal of all of this is. STOP the insanity. You cannot sue farmers for growing crops that got blown onto his property yet that is exactly what Monsanto is doing.

  • Sean

    Dr. Perimutter, Hello my name is Sean and I am a nurse and aspiring researcher, and victim to a severe traumatic brain injury in my younger years. I started a low carb diet 3 weeks ago and have been in ketosis for about 2 weeks. I have noticed my ability to hold conversations, plan, and multitask are at a far higher level than they have been for the last 12 years. I had correlated the diet, but wanted to wait longer to confirm.
    It’s reaffirming that it seems someone has noticed these positive effects.

    • David Perlmutter

      Good to hear of this Sean, and best of luck on your journey to medical research!

  • Paola Ferrari

    Hi everyone! I have been on a ketosis diet for a long time – 12 weeks – I loooovveed it. It was strict, with intermittent fasting too, and I followed it very scrupulously. I felt great and would have followed it (with possibly an integration of fibers!!!) indefinitely. However, when I went for blood work my LDL was elevated (thankfully, my HDL was off the chart!) as were my liver enzymes, which it never happened before. I was also diagnosed with hypothyroidism (under active thyroid) and had to start a thyroid medication. Has anyone experienced anything like this? I run also into some medical studies that suggest that a ketosis diet might be bad for your liver…. Dr. Perlmutter?

    • John Brailsford

      may I suggest you read Keto Clarity by Jimmy Moore. There is a lot of misinformation about cholestrol. Don´t worry about the LDL but checkout the Triglyceride:HDL ideally around 1. If you are in ketosis then your LDL should be the light and fluffy type (which you can have checked) which is ideal. So quit worrying. Ketosis makes you healthier and will certainly not be responsible your your thyroid,- on the contrary it should help it and your liver. If you have been losing weight under a low carb or keto diet then some fat dissolves into your blood and affects a lot of blood analysis readings. Its better to wait for a month AFTER your weight has stabilised before getting the blood tests done

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  • britanyjune

    A ketogenic lifestyle is one that I try to obtain. This time last year I was mid way done through a juice fasting period. I would only consume juice, smoothies and soups, and maybe every 2 to 3 days have a small meal. In my first state, I was definitely going through detox. After about one week, it felt as if I had walked out of a cloud I never realized i was in. Increasingly, I felt as if I was my brain was reviving. My thoughts were clearer, my emotional state was calming after having a 10 year history of panic disorder in my teenage years (miraculously cured). So many people noticed my new state of mind. A lot of people also noticed my drop in weight. I am in a tied up burden because psychologically its such a pull on myself to always be in a constant state of “fasting” and not just relaxing and enjoying food. I would really like to pursue a lifestyle of the ketogenic diet because I function my optimal best, it just has become difficult for me mentally to grasp not having to do anything with food on everyday basis. Special occasions of course are allowed such as going out friday nights. But living in a society where we are driven to what’s going to be for dinner that evening has left me in a bad relationship with food as it is. And I feel as if that’s not a healthy state. I also work in restaurant, a very nice one, and this has also warped my way of thinking of food as that relaxing comfort. Anyone who is pursuing this lifestyle could help me out with tips or even counsel me a little bit?

    • John Brailsford

      Do you just try britanyjune or do you really do it?
      Just going low carbohydrate will not get you there. Also most juices are going to be filling you with as much sugar as drinking the same quantity of coke! So that is hardly fasting. You need to go to mineral water.
      If you go low carb which means high fat you will not have to count calories and you should not get hungry, so no stress in the restaurant except for seeing the size of the portions and the masses of carbohydrates. I suggest you read Grain Brain and Wheat Belly. If you then want to take it further for ketosis read Keto Clarity by Jimmy Moore.

  • EricInSeattle

    In medical school we were always taught that hypoglycemia causes seizures and that one of the great dangers of insulin treatment is hypoglycemia. Can you elaborate how sustained ketosis differs from acute hypoglycemia, please? What is the best way of explaining this to one’s patients?

    • John Brailsford

      Read Keto Clarity by Jimmy Moore

    • gordondev

      Hypoglycemia is a state of abnormally low glucose, particularly in the absence of the backup fuel source of ketones (since there was no time for them to be made in a hypoglycemic episode).

      Maintaining nutritional ketosis stabilizes glucose levels in the long run and can crease a state known as “physiological insulin resistance,” in which the muscles “refuse” glucose uptake to preserve it for the brain. This state is beneficial in protecting against hypoglycemia, because it keeps the glucose in the system instead of taking it all into the cells (and no, it’s not the same as dysfunctional insulin resistance; you can drop physiological insulin resistance in about three days if you need by eating about 150g a day). Likewise, after full keto adaptation, glucose becomes a largely on-demand fuel — your food doesn’t provide enough to feed everything, so it has to be made from other substrates by the body. Like ketones, glucose in this situation only gets made when the body says it needs it, which prevents blood sugar from going too high (and prevents the subsequent insulin flood and glucose crash).

  • guest

    I’m concerned about Dr. Oz having a show this coming Monday where gluten may be reintroduced into the diet. Anyone else concerned

  • a s

    hello to you all;
    greetings from portugal
    how do you do the specific math to measure the daily intakes of fat;

    is it like this: 100gr of grass feed butter equals 80% of fat + 100 gr of grass fed beef equals 20 gr of fat; the math goes total food 200 gr. and fat counts for 100gr in total. so 50% is fat; is this correct? i have to master this one because i suspect i am taking to much protein and not so much fat.
    thank you all

    • Kim Gambino

      I just starting using this website and logging my food. It may help. Make sure you set it up for a ketogenic diet. https://cronometer.com/

    • John Brailsford

      That looks about right. My protein portions were too big and fat too small to get into ketosis. But carbs contained in fruit and vegetables are also important . Low carb is not just doing without bread and pasta!
      Checkout Jimmy Moore´s book, Keto Clarity and all will become clear.

  • a s

    hello.
    please,
    could anyone tell me if being on ketosis is a better way of paleo dieting? can you be paleo dieting and don’t be in ketosis ?

    thanks in advance

    • John Brailsford

      If you are eating paleo you are likely to be eating too much protien and not enough fat. Metabolism varies, but you quite likely need to get 80% of your energy from fat. I found the portions of meat and fish I was eating were too hugh,- 80 grams is plenty for me and oil and butter needed to be increased after which my metabolism changed to ketosis.

      • Joanna

        Hi John, you seem to be replying to lots of question here so maybe you can advise me. As I have written above, I am struggling with high fat as my staple of eggs, cheese, meat, fish are all also high in protein. I love cream & butter but find coconut oil & yolk only omelette rather unpalatable. I would appreciate some tips please.

        • John Brailsford

          Hi Joanna
          Although long on a low carb diet I am also new to Ketosis and the missing link to keeping in was to cut back on protein. So of course, if you are already low carb and cut back the protein then the fat content goes up, which takes some getting used to,- if only mentally. Why do you cook a yolk only omlette? I see nothing wrong with the whole egg and you can mix coconut oil 50/50 with butter.
          Have you read Keto Clarity by Jimmy Moore’s I can recommend it as well as Keto Adapted by Maria Emmerich.
          Hope these comments help you.

          • Joanna

            Hi John, thanks so much for replying. I did the yolk only omelette only once to see if it was a palatable way to eat more fat & less protein. I read Keto Clarity but will read again & my copy of Keto adapted arrived yesterday. I am English & some of Maria’s ingredients are not readily identified or bought here, but that’s not so much a problem. I am trying to improve the rato of fats to proteins as I’m pretty sure that’s where I was going wrong. I adore butter but it seems that coconut oil is better so I will try doing half & half. I have no problem giving up carbs but reducing protein is harder as meat, fish, eggs & cheese then form the basis of my meals. I will try to avoid having more than one protein at each meal as in cheese omelette or salmon wrapped in bacon. Thanks so much for your help, Joanna

      • mikemarkham

        The proportion of calories derived from fat vs. protein is often incorrect. There are many days I’ve eaten 50-60% fat calories only…and other days I’ve gorged (for testing) on 120g of carbohydrate in 1 meal…and remained in ketosis.

        It varies greatly per individual.

        • John Brailsford

          Metabolism varies. If you can stay in ketosis with 120 gm carbohydrate you are lucky. How do you know that you are still in ketosis?

          • mikemarkham

            Definitely varies. I did this as a proof of concept, taking multiple blood ketone and glucose measurements. I hypothesized that since I have been in ketosis for years, my system may be able to withstand a lot of carbohydrate…just as those who are glucose adapted can withstand ketosis after a low carb meal. It really started when someone told me I couldn’t eat x amount of protein or I’d drop out of ketosis. I hear this all the time and it is not true for many if not most.

          • PondGal

            Ok,..I hate you..:)

            I would love to splurge on pasta and crusty bread just 3-4 times a year and stay in ketosis! However I can usually get my ketones back above 1 in 36 hours.

          • mikemarkham

            Remember this was proof of concept and I was reluctant to do it because I have committed to avoiding this many carbohydrate. That being said, my blood ketones were very low-level – it did drop rapidly over several hours. However, by the next day, with the aid of fasting I got right back up into nutritional zone.

            I have also been in ketosis over four years so I believe that after awhile you have more leg room.

  • persistentone

    How should insufficient sodium on a keto diet show up in your laboratory metabolites? Is it primarily going to show as low sodium, from excretion of sodium by the kidneys?

    When I attempted to go very low carb, my serum sodium remained in normal range, but I developed extreme thirst that water could not replenish. I was urinating greater than five liters a day. My urine osmolality went very low after 12 hours of water deprivation, to levels that were suggestive of diabetes insipidus. But – because my serum sodium was “normal” – no allopathic physician was willing to diagnose anything about those symptoms.

    I ultimately failed ketosis and no amount of sodium, potassium, or magnesium made it work for me.

  • VictoriaT

    I am really enjoying this ketogenic diet for many reasons however old habits die hard and I have a controdiction going on I need to resolve. Today I had my first headache in awhile. I am currently trying to analyze my food intake and the supplements I took prior to see what might have triggered this onset. My real concern is that I reached for Excedrin Migraine! There must be a better homeopathic solution that will keep me away from such pharmaceutical creations. It seems like when I do this I am putting poison into my “temple of ketogenic bliss” and I don’t like this. Please advise..

    • mikemarkham

      Still having headaches? They are usually linked to some sort of inflammatory response. Did you eat anything prior to experiencing this? Or drink something? They can also be caused by stress, lack of sodium and water.

  • John Isgitt

    I am eating the ketogenic diet. My daytime fasting blood sugar is in the low 80s usually. But after eating a dinner of grass fed beef, coconut oil, avocado, spinach and a little tomato, my morning fasting blood sugar is up to around 100. What could be causing this rise? Is there anything I can do about it?

    • John Brailsford

      You say daytime fasting blood sugar, but how long after a meal are you checking it? Your morning blood sugar is unlikely to be affected by a meai eaten 12 hours earlier. If you want to checkout the effects of a meal check before then after 1/2, 1 & 2 hours.

    • Google, “Dawn Phenomen + Diabetes.”
      dawn phenomenon

    • Rosie

      Unless you are eating very late, you are either experiencing Dawning (we all do this to a point, the body begins to wake & provide energy for the day, long before we do..) or possibly, Somogyi effect… here’s a good explanation of both http://www.dlife.com/diabetes/blood_sugar_management/garnero_0106

      • Rosie

        PS. the Somogyi effect in essence, is your liver’s response to LOW blood sugar during the sleep period. Stored sugar is converted & dumped into the blood to prevent hypoglycemia.

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  • Ann

    I suffer from depression. I’ve been eating a very low carb diet. Probably, no more than 30 to 40 carbs per day for a little over 2 weeks. My question is that in Dr. Perlmutter’s book, he indicates that one should stay away from peanuts and peanut butter. My nutritionist thought that natural peanut butter that has only peanuts in it and no other ingredients would be acceptable. Can even natural peanut butter cause inflammation?

    • mattmcpheely

      It is the peanuts themselves that cause the inflammation, natural or not. In the same way grains contain anti-nutrients and fight against our bodies as we try to digest them, peanuts can act in a similar manner. Remember that peanuts are legumes, not nuts. Go for almond butter instead – a delicious substitute.

    • mikemarkham

      I personally have never had an issue – you need to investigate your reactions.

  • Ann

    I also had a food sensitivity test done, and I was not sensitive to peanuts at all. Is it okay to eat natural peanut butter – the kind that has the natural oils on top?

  • APO E

    I have a genetic marker, APO E3/4. I was told by my cardiologist that I need to reduce fat intake and burn fat as I have plaque in my carotid arteries. I also have Alzheimer’s on both sides of my family. My dad died from it as did my grandma on my mom’s side. So my body doesn’t properly metabolize fat in the first place directly converting to LDL cholesterol and plaque build up. How would this diet impact me?

    • mikemarkham

      I would highly recommend the book “Cholesterol Clarity” by Jimmy Moore. He directly addresses that marker and recommendations if I recall correctly.

  • Joanna

    I struggle to stay in ketosis, though I severely limit all veg, take no milk, fruit or yogurts. I eat mainly eggs, cheese, meats, fish, avocado, nuts & cream. I also use creme fraiche in a lot of meals. Could that be the problem?

    • mikemarkham

      Individuals have different reactions to certain foods. The main problematic foods in your list are nuts and dairy. I recommend a ketone/glucose blood monitor and see how you react to different foods.

  • Joanna holding

    How do you manage to eat such a high fat diet? I eat eggs, cheese, meat, fish, cream,nuts, avocado but these are protein too so I don’t know how to eat an 80-90% fat diet. I have the Atkins cookbook but that is not really high fat. Any advice please?

    • Mikjáll Fimbultýr

      Remember the numbers are based on percentages of Calories per gram of macro nutrient. 1g of fat is 9 calories where 1g of protein is only 4 calories and 1g of carbs is also only 4 calories. So the ratio of calories per 1 gram of fat to (1 gram of protein OR 1 gram of carbs) is 2.25:1 (2.25 to 1).
      For example:
      An fried egg = 88.6 total calories, from Fat, Carbs and Protein as follows:
      Fat = 7g (7gx9cal = 63 cal)
      Carbs = 0.4g (0.4gx4cal = 1.6 cal)
      Protein = 6g (6gx4cal = 24 cal)

      So the percentage of nutritional calories from each would be as follows:
      Fat 63 cal / 88.6 total cal = 71%
      Carbs 1.6 cal / 88.6 total cal = 2%
      Protein 24 cal / 88.6 total cal = 27%
      —Hope that helps 🙂

      • Joanna Holding

        Thank you Mikjall, that is very helpful. Those numbers make it look a lot more realistic.

      • Felicity

        I keep protein fairly low and slip tablespoons of coconut oil (refined, if you don’t like the taste of coconut) into everything – eggs, broth, vegetables. Some people put it in coffee! You can avoid dairy and nuts altogether if you need to and still get loads (70-80% of calories) from fat.

    • JasonShields

      Joanna, I have found that adding heavy whipping cream to my coffee/tea in the morning, adding it to some greek yogurt, even adding a few tablespoons of in my eggs increases my fat intake significantly without the lactose because it is heavy cream. Also adding butter to your veggies is another great way to obtain a higher fat percentage.

  • Michael

    I have heard recently, and not so recently that ketogenic diets stop working the way we want them to. For instance, if a person loses weight on it, goes off it for a while, that it might not work as well the next time, and further on. reseraching it a bit more, it appears that the body starts to burn the protein in the diet as fuel, as opposed to burning stored fat. If thats the case ketosis wont happen on a keto diet for the long haul

    • mikemarkham

      The argument you’ve heard is frivolous.

      The same would be true for someone who is drunk. They stop drinking and sober up. Guess what happens if they drink again?

      Or if someone jumps in a pool and is soaked. They climb out, dry off and then complain when they’re wet again after jumping in the pool a second time.

      Source: 4+ years sustained weight loss.

  • Heidi

    Lots in my mind today,,so here goes. I’ve read Grain Brain and loved it, recommended and bought it for my brother whose an M.D. As well. I’ve eliminated grains and breads mostly, but have yet to eliminate all sugars..and go lower carb. If this is the way for many to eat, how would it be possible in all of The Americas where there is predominantly rice, tortillas. e.t.c, and Asia…where rice is a staple, Italy where bread and Pasta reign supreme…Needless the say everyone who grew up eating like this . Also, I used to think being in constant ketones was dangerous, as well as gave you bad breath? Also, we’ve been cutting out more animal,protein and trying to be more plant based. Any ideas for us to keep carbs on the down low?

    Signed,

    Heidi who is….
    Scared of moving to the next step….

    • gordondev

      Actually, pasta is generally a side dish in Italy, in favor of salads, meat, and fish. According to some sources I’ve found, rice is a “poor person’s staple” in Asia, and doesn’t dominate nearly as much in the more affluent areas. The Okinawans didn’t even eat rice at all until the World Wars. There’s some evidence that the health of the Central American people started going downhill when grains were introduced. We also tend to be a lot more sedentary than all of the above societies, and have to fix the damage the grain and sugar based diet has done to us.

      Being in a state of ketosis is not dangerous. It’s often mistaken for diabetic ketoacidosis, which is dangerous. However, it’s also a rare complication of insulin dependent diabetes. Additionally, it’s not just a state of elevated ketones, but a state of hyperglycemia *and* extremely elevated ketones. We’re talking 200-400+ for glucose and 15+ for ketones. To compare, a healthy individual should never exceed a glucose level of 200, and even deep ketosis results in a ketone level of about 3.

      As for meat intake, keto is not a high protein diet, so your meat intake doesn’t need to increase. Fill your plate with leafy greens and above-ground vegetables and fatty fruits like olives and avocado. Top it with olive, macadamia, or walnut oil, and you have a good, keto-friendly meal. You can actually improve your footprint when it comes to eating meat while on keto, because you can waste far less by going after the less popular cuts, which tend to be fattier, and make your own broth from the bones. This shifts your meat consumption to more “nose-to-tail” style, so you can feed your family on fewer animals. Doing this also makes it easier to seek out local, sustainable, humane farms to source your meat from (because eating meat isn’t the problem, neither for health nor ecology; the problem lies in the industrial farming practices).

    • mikemarkham

      Eat more animal protein and fat and reduce plant-based foods.

  • Ann

    Okay, I’ve finally stopped the peanut butter. I read that it can cause inflammation. I’m in ketosis most of the time. How long does it take before you begin to feel better?

  • Felicity

    I’m an extremely petite 43 year old woman – 4’11” and currently 110 lbs (though ten years ago I was more close to 100-105 which I think is a healthier weight for me).

    In order for me to get to 80% of my calories from fat I have to cut carbs (and protein) back so far, I worry I’m not getting what I need in terms of vitamins and minerals. Yes, there are supplements, but I’d like to get as many of my necessary nutrients as possible directly from my food.

    Dr. Perlmutter, do you, or does anyone here, have recommendations as to where I can go to determine what my actual nutrient needs as a very small adult female actually are? Am I right to be concerned? For the record the diet I’m trying to follow is the Wahls Paleo Plus.

    Many thanks for any guidance!

    • David Perlmutter

      A very important question Felicity. My belief, based on the science I see, is that the body has no daily nutritional requirement for carbs. However, if you are concerned about eating a balanced diet, you should absolutely consult a nutritionist.

      • Felicity

        Many thanks for the reply!

        To be clear: do you mean you see no need for daily nutritional requirements of vitamins and minerals found in green vegetables and protein? I eat no grains or potatoes at all. My worry is that my caloric needs are so low, just a few cups of spinach, collards, kale, onions etc, or five daily ounces of meat instead of three, knocks me out of ketosis.

        Thank you again – very grateful for your work.

        • gordondev

          Have you actually been testing your blood ketone levels to see if this is the case, or is this just a fear you have? A couple cups of greens or an extra couple of ounces of meat shouldn’t knock you out, regardless of your calorie needs (also, unless you’re under 5′, your calorie needs shouldn’t be *that* low, you might want to double-check that). Given my own experiences and that of the people I know who also maintain ketosis, this should not be the case.

          That said, the body can actually get all the nutrients it needs from animal products. Remember, too, that things like butter are actually very nutrient rich (high in Vitamins A, D, and K2, as well as CLA and butyrate). There are whole societies of “primitive” people who have thrived on meat (all of the animal) or meat and milk and not much else, and are very healthy. There are even a few studies of people who have spent years eating only animal products, and their doctors found no nutritional deficiencies.

          So, even if you do find that any amount of plant material or the extra two ounces of lean kicks you out of ketosis, you probably don’t have much to worry about nutritional deficiencies, and even less to worry about if you include some fish and shellfish in your rotation.

        • mikemarkham

          Felicity, keep in mind that there have been thriving cultures of the past with no access to fruits and vegetables and fully meet their nutritional needs. That being said, it doesn’t hurt to eat nutrient rich vegetables – just keep them low on the carbohydrate spectrum and high on vitamins and minerals.

  • Anzjuli

    So will reading grain brain tell me how to do this ketosis diet properly? I’ve tried sticking to below 80gr of carbs per day but find it extremely difficult although I eat no gluten, bread, pasta, rice etc (been reading/following advice from marks daily apple -paleo health guy). My carbs only come from milk, maybe half a banana a day, some fruit, lots of vegies and meat. I cant seem to have enough energy throughout the day on such low carbs. I dance about 1-2hrs of ballet 5x a week and cant get thru my classes. I really desperately want to get rid of my depression, as its so debilitating and awful, but it seems impossible. I also have IBS and endometriosis and adenomyosis. When I was younger I was also told I had rheumatoid arthritis but this was later ruled out, I still get joint pain though ..please help?!

    • gordondev

      This isn’t enough information to determine exactly what’s going on, but it’s pretty likely you’re simply not eating enough food in general. Going lower carb tends to be very satiating (even outside of ketosis), and while you feel like you’re eating a ton of food, you’re probably actually not eating anywhere near what you think you are.

      Also, make sure you’re eating enough fat. Protein isn’t really a fuel macro, but a building block one. A lot of people tend to increase protein, because they’re still indoctrinated with “fat is bad.” Fat isn’t bad, so be sure you’re getting ample amounts.

      If you aren’t already, sign up on a calorie tracking site and log your food for a week or two. Compare it to what it says your caloric intake should be for maintenance, and adjust from there. This can help you re-calibrate yourself for how much is “a lot” versus “not a lot.”

  • Marco

    Hi David. As one other viewer posted – our DNA is based on somewhat sugar (monosackarides with phosphate groups).
    Is it really beneficial to be in ketosis when it is so hard to get there? Takes weeks and that can’t be our evolutionary made state if its that hard, right?

    Eating 10-30g net carbs at night to balance bloodsugar for sleep-phases as it requires a lot of energy, and some coconut oil to produce ketones as fuel for the night also, would likely be better than zero carbs?

    Greetings from Sweden

    • gordondev

      Ketosis doesn’t require zero carbs. Most people can sustain ketosis for intakes upwards of 50g.

      I’d also argue that it’s only “so hard to get into ketosis,” because most of us have lost most of our metabolic flexibility (the ability to seamlessly switch between sugar burning and fat burning), due to the horrid nutritional recommendations we’ve been subjected to for the better part of the last century. I’m personally of the opinion that the original evolutionary state was one in which we were able to switch between the two without much difficulty or consequence. We have issues now, because our body is a “use it or lose it” system, and when we keep a diet of 50%+ carbs (most of which being heavily refined) and 20-30% or less fats, then the body starts losing the fat-burning “equipment,” and have to re-build them in order to get back to that flexible state.

      • Marco

        Thanks for the comment! Yeah, it might be that way

      • Andrea

        You have half reason. But modern human beings are more active, we do much effort to find food 🙂 We do sport, running, studying, thinking, so we need more food and a different food. Caveman did not know the exact combination of food to have plenty of energy. It seems they were eating when they were hungry. I was in ketosis and at least I could do some sprints. I am young and I play soccer but in ketosis this world and many other exciting activities disappear. We are in constant develop. And maybe as our ancestors did we will have to re-learn again to live under water and eating algae. Think about it.

        • gordondev

          Your response has nothing to do with what I said. That said, you’re mistaken on pretty much all fronts.

          You can, in fact, do things like play soccer and even sprint while in ketosis. The state of ketosis does not actually require restricting your carbs to next to nothing, especially if you’re very active. Dr. Peter Attia talks about this in detail and illustrates this point beautifully — http://eatingacademy.com/sports-and-nutrition/ketones-carbohydrates-can-co-exist (tl;dr version – he expended so much energy on a long, hard bike ride that he consumed 321g of carbohydrates and remained in ketosis at 2.2mM). The targeted ketogenic diet was designed specifically to handle the situations where one wants to be in ketosis in general, but benefits from the extra explosive power provided by a little extra glucose (which gets used up within an hour or two of ingesting). Most situations, though, simply require you to adapt, which does take a couple of months to do so athletically (I liken it to changing running form — you can’t go from heel strike to midfoot strike and expect the same distance and speed without hurting yourself, you have to back off for a few weeks and work back up). The ketogains group (https://www.reddit.com/r/ketogains/) is a prime example of the ability to be a ketogenic athlete (and here are a couple of soccer-specific threads: https://www.reddit.com/r/ketogains/comments/33y1i2/keto_for_a_soccer_player/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ketogains/comments/30bwm3/qn_soccer_pregame_nutrition/).

          As for your caveman comments — no, we don’t expend more energy, in general, than our ancestors. Nor do we expend less. Believe it or not, we actually expend pretty much the same amount, as based on the evidence provided by studying modern hunter-gatherers (http://healthland.time.com/2012/07/26/modern-lazy-people-burn-as-many-calories-as-hunter-gatherers-so-what-makes-us-fat/).

          • Andrea

            Dear, I wish you were right. I quote Mark Sisson “ultimate 2.0 book:

            • Avoid Chronic Cardio (frequent medium-to-high intensity sustained workouts)
            • Avoid Chronic Strength Training (frequent and/or prolonged sub-maximal lifting sessions ending in exhaustion)
            • Avoid Regimented Schedules (instead, allow for spontaneous, intuitive variation in type, difficulty and frequency of workouts)

          • gordondev

            Have you actually read The Primal Blueprint in its entirety?

            His recommendations against those have nothing to do with being in ketosis, or that you “can’t” do them while in ketosis (in fact, Mark Sisson is of the opinion that while ketosis is a healthy/normal state, one should not strive to be in it at all times, but rather go in and out as need dictates), and have everything to do with the neurotic nature of Western health and fitness, where it’s often seen as “more is better,” when in fact it’s not.

            What you neglect to also quote here are what you *are* supposed to do:

            Move frequently at a slow pace (ie – walk as much as possible)
            Lift heavy things (ie – lift weights, do pull-ups, etc; in fact, he’s a fan of high-weight, low-rep routines, provided they’re done properly; Mark, himself does things like handstand pushups)
            Sprint

            Play

            The last three of these are particularly important, because they’re the activities that most justify carbohydrate intake, because they require/utilize explosive power (which is obtained almost solely from glycogen/glucose, regardless of fat adaptation level). As I said earlier, though, you can still do all those things while ketogenic. Just ask Darthluiggi and the others over at /r/ketogains, as well as Dr. Peter Attia over at http://eatingacademy.com/

          • Andrea

            Dear Gordondev, excuse me but you are twice wrong. First you have answered without having understood my initial comment and second because as a matter of fact you are not able to see that a ketogenic diet (I repeat again is not for modern people), is not targeted keto diet. Then, here we have two things. TKD come to rescue the limits of what?, guess what?, yeah! Keto diet. And as you see TKD is totally another monster who comes to cope with the MODERN STYLE OF LIFE. In itself TKD give me the reason because abandon Keto diet, it is another thing. They are missing an opportunity, to demonstrate that it is a valid way to cop with modern style of life. Lastly, this guy you call Dr. Peter Attia is an example too that keto diet alone can’t be a valid substitute for the standard diet for athletes based on Carbs. Otherwise he wouldn’t have switched/abandon keto state. He has betrayed it. Take care

    • mikemarkham

      Most of the human body is comprised of fat, including our brain.

      It is not difficult to get into ketosis. Get lost in the woods and you’ll be in ketosis in a matter of days.

      Go to sleep at night, even with a high-carbohydrate diet and you’ll enter a mild state of ketosis.

      It seems as though you are treating carbohydrate as the only source of calorie the body can use for fuel. You can eat a gigantic dinner of 0 carbohydrate and have more than enough ATP produced from protein and fat.

  • paleoallen

    What if I have trouble maintaining a healthy weight. Will staying in Ketosis make me lose weight?

    • mikemarkham

      Yes, it is good for maintenance.

  • Judith Gervais

    Has anyone been successful treating non diabetic peripheral neuropathy with a ketogenic diet?

    • Claire

      Yes, I have. Managed to get off Cymbalta because of it, which is a whole other story. When I slip off the diet, I can feel it in my feet if it’s more than once.

  • Caroline

    I have been in ketosis for 3 weeks and then just had drink infused Saturday for a wedding. I was wondering if there is a general number of carbs that forces your body out of ketosis or is there a way to figure that out??

  • Dan Goodman

    Searching for this answer this morning and cannot find a clear answer, maybe someone here can help.
    I have been on Low Carb, feeling great and according to Keto Sticks been in Ketosis for about 3 weeks. Lost 25lbs so far and really feel awesome. I have dropped anti depressants as well.
    However, I have found I can eat low carb tortilla shells to make a wrap or burger and I am pretty sure it’s not affecting me. BUT there is whole wheat flour in them of course, as there are in ALL tortilla shells. The ones I’m eating are the FlatOuts, their awesome.. for me.. and keeping me on Low Carb for sure. Labels states about 19 grams of carbs and 9 grams of fiber depending on which type of shell you choose.

    So my question is.. the past 4 days I haven’t lost any weight. Yes, I have been here before (in past low carb dieting), I know what a stall is and that it can be very temporary. I am not so worried about that. I will probably get on the scale in 3 or 4 days and all of a sudden be 2 lbs lighter 😉 – I am also getting in 12,500 steps daily (Fitbit) so I am going to succeed at this!! Oh.. my question.. sorry.. How do I know for sure that these Tortilla Shells are not throwing me out of Ketosis? The sticks are always pink to purple for me… does that mean as long as I continue to feel good and lose some weight I am ok (and in Ketosis)?

    Thanks for your time and reading my rather wordy post.

    • 63vino

      Hi, Im not an ”expert” however a fellow ketogenic dieter since Nov 2014. 1. Don’t react very fast to thins.
      The ketone strips are not a good way to measure or ensure ketosis. There is a device you can buy on Amazon that measures blood ketones and also blood glucose. The ketone strips are very expensive and to be used sparingly. The glucose strips are not so expensive and you can check the effect of different food on a hourly basis after eating. This way, not only for the tortillas but for any food. Foods act in different ways for us and I have found then when I positive I should be in high ketosis or low glucose… the opposite at times is the case. You also can go crazy with this stuff. Testing is the best way if you really want to be sure how various foods are affecting your status.
      ciao
      tom

    • 63vino

      Sorry,,,, forgot to mention the blood glucose and blood ketone (bohb) device.. Its made by Precision Plus.

    • mikemarkham

      Get a blood glucose/ketone reader and strips (i.e. Precision xTra measures glucose and ketones). You can test reaction to any food.

      The tortillas may still be affecting your microbiome adversely. Use them at a minimum – they are not real food.

  • Momolala

    Can I not eat vegetables while I’m in ketosis? I stay in it as long as I don’t eat ANY veggies. I take a multi vitamin and I normally eat tons of veggies. Is this okay? At least at first?

    • mikemarkham

      Yes, you can, however you need to follow a protocol.

    • Valerie JM

      Of course you can, Just no root vegetables

  • Momolala

    My #1 keto meal is uncured salami wrapped around full cheddar cheese dipped in mayo. I’m afraid of having a heart attack immediately after. I’m pretty young (30s) and only 15 lbs or so above a normal weight. Should I be worried?

    • gordondev

      Nope. Read through Dr. Perlmutter’s work, then read through Dr. Peter Attia’s work, then go pick up Jimmy Moore’s book, Cholesterol Clarity.

      Contrary to popular belief, there is no link between dietary fat intake and CVD risk. That whole thing was almost purely political in nature. In fact, it will likely improve your risk numbers, especially if you include a good grass fed butter and other sources of Vitamin K2.

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  • Davids Hair

    What’s the difference between Atkins and this type of diet? I’m doing Atkins right now, but I’d like to stay in ketosis as long as possible and I’m a fruit junkie so it’s kind of hard.

  • Evelyn

    Is this safe for anybody, including pregnant women? I still don’t understand why legumes and yogurt are to be eaten in moderation or sparingly when you say that Probiotics are important and legumes don’t have gluten.

    • Joyce

      Legumes have fiber, and fiber cancels some of the carbs present in them: so go and eat them, but in moderation. Second, people are going completely nuts over gluten. I’m the majority who is immune to it, and I’m getting sick of seeing “do not eat gluten just because”. There are people who DO need to stay away from it, but they are a minority (either due to auto immune diseases or food allergies/intolerance). Also, the carb limit on keto is 100 g: if you are active (regardless of pregnancy), eating a slice of bread before or after physical activity will not put you out of ketosis.

    • gordondev

      I’m not a doctor, so don’t take this as medical advice, but yes it is generally safe. There’s a bit more contention around the idea of pregnant women doing it (because pregnant), but low carb is the usual treatment for gestational diabetes and there are many situations where pregnant women would be in a state of ketosis, to no ill effect.

      Legumes don’t have gluten, but they do have phytates and lectins, which are other phytochemicals that can cause problems in humans. Yogurt has a fair bit of sugar, whey (one of the proteins in dairy) prompts an abnormally large insulin response in the body for a protein, and casein (one of the other proteins in dairy) is believed to be cross-reactant with gluten and has its own set of issues (particularly the casein from A1 beta casein cows, which are the breeds used for most commercial dairy).

      • Rosie

        I stopped buying commercial yogurt; it is soooo simple to make in a crockpot that you don’t need a special appliance. You have complete control over ingredients AND if you strain the yogurt to get the Greek variety, the is little or no whey left. The milk sugar pretty much is consumed by the lactobacillus. My favorite store brand used to have a great protein-carb ratio, but then they changed contractors and ratios flipped. I researched all the commercial brands, incl. those in the natural food section. Gave up & have been making my own for 2+months. Only 3 ingredients: milk (whole, for the fat content!!!), an excellent grade European starter and non-fat dry milk, which boosts the thickness & protein. No gelatin, no odd ingredients and total control.

        • gordondev

          You still have the casein to deal with, but if you can handle that, home made is definitely the way to go!

          Gelatin isn’t a bad thing to use, and in fact is quite beneficial, especially if you get a quality kind. The nutrients in a quality gelatin are unsurpassed and some are hard to find elsewhere. Besides, with the dry milk, you’re bringing the whey and lactose back in, depending on when you’re adding it.

  • Mary Hall

    Question. I have been on ketogenic diet for about a month. I’m staying very low on carbs, probably under 20 per day but only showing slight ketones on test strips. I have fasted 2 days at different times during the month. Any suggestions?

    • mikemarkham

      You may be a quick adapter. Do not use urine strips. Get a Precision Xtra blood ketone kit which will accurately depict your blood ketones (not excess ketones in urine).

  • Mary Hall

    Thanks Mark. Can I purchase ketone kit at a reg pharmacy

    • PondGal

      Mary, Abbott makes a machine that tests both glucose and ketones from a finger stick, it is the Precision Xtra. I have seen them at Walgreens however finding the ketone strips is difficult and they are expensive. You might have better luck on Amazon. I purchased mine from Australia (still an Abbott product) for 1/4 the price.

      • Mary Hall

        Thank you so much. I’ll try Amazon. I’ve tried 4 pharmacies including Walgreens without success. Mary

        • PondGal

          I purchase mine from a site called Ketosistools.com. The strips are much cheaper, you might check them out. It takes a little longer to get them, but the cost savings is worth it to me. Good luck!

          • Mary Hall

            Thanks again for your help. I’ll check that site. Don’t want to pay more than I have to. Mary

    • Mary Hall

      Sorry Mike for the name screwup.

  • Luc Chene

    How about going on Ketosis when I have no fat on me?

  • P.L.

    I’ve been on Grain Brain diet two weeks. A bit discouraged, as scale has gone up a pound or two. Hoping the body is loosing weight, while retaining temporary water gain.
    Has anyone experienced the same?

  • cherie

    Hello all~
    I’m a newbie to this form of ‘sharing’, but certainly look forward to learning from those that have walked farther then I….
    My 77 yr. old husband is suffering with his Parkinson’s….even with Senimet, he still has strong tremors..as well as various other debilitating symptoms.
    We started the Wahl’s Protocol 33 days ago..and feel better with each passing day. Realizing it takes awhile to turn such a strong entrenched illness around…is no problem.. we have the time and commitment to this way of living.
    I did find eating the amount of salad one has too eat per day beyond daunting…but since I have a Nutri-bullet….I make fresh organic vegetable juice and we drink 3 big glasses a day….along with all the other things to eat: living this way. Adding in the MCT oil has made all the difference…I test my urine and I am in Ketosis…at the trace level, which our Dr. feels is a good place to be.

    Is anyone else juicing instead of eating all the salad called for on the protocol? The only veggies I don’t put in the juice are onion, zucchini and mushrooms…we eat those in other things….

  • Ems

    so are potatoes off limits on this diet ?

  • tony gloria

    does this diet help with trigeminal-neuralgia

  • Anne

    How is the Brain Maker diet compatible with the KETO diet? On a strict KETO diet, can we still eat the fermented foods and pre/probiotics from Brain Maker?

  • Nigel Thornley

    For people who are really serious about low carb, high fat diets and going into ketosis… the very best guide is the book ” The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living ” by Dr Phinney and Dr Volek. They have been treating patients this way for many years and have all the nitty gritty explanations of what to do and expect. All the questions asked in these comments are answered in this book.
    We are eating this way and the benefits are huge.

  • jeff rapp

    Years ago, at the age of 29 I self diagnosed add w/o hyperactivity. One of the first things I read was that the “Feingold diet” was shown in later studies to have very little effect on add. Why is this

  • Mike

    Where can I find a .me to diet plan? Thanks, Mike

  • James Broussard

    I am on a CKD, and have been for a year. I have a carb refeed every Sunday. Recently, I have been taking my fasting blood sugar reading. I have been testing myself more than a week now, at various times of the day. I only eat one meal a day, in the evening time. I am very careful about my macros, 70% fat, 25% protein, and 5% carbs (non starchy veggies). I noticed my fasting blood sugar ranges from 90 to 100 mg/dl. I have gotten this reading over and over, at different times of the day. I remember you explaining on your interview with Abel James, that a fasting blood sugar as low as 90mg/dl could be harmful over time. Is this only true for diabetics, or everyone. I do not believe I am insulin resistant. On my last carb refeed, I took my blood sugar readings. Only an hour after eating plenty of simple carbs, my blood sugar reading was only 102mg/dl. Is my “high” FBS only a natural/safe symptom of my keto diet? I hope I gave you enough info to go on. Thanks Dr Perlmutter

  • Peanut

    Dr perlmutter, should I be worried that my FBS is between 90 and 100mg/dl? I have been eating a CKD diet for a year, sticking to a breakdown of 70% fat, 25% protein, and 5% carbs. I have a refeeed once a week. I checked my blood glucose multiple times after my refeeed. One hour after eating plenty of carbs, my blood sugar was only 102mg/dl. Not much of a swing at all, so it looks like my insulin sensitivity is on point. Should I be worried about FBS in that range? Thank you for your time

  • Carol

    I have what they call neuropathy that is genetic- both my sister and my mother has it and none of us have diabetes. I am wondering about inflammation — which eventually made a perfect environment in my mother who eventually died from lung cancer. i take a lot of vitamins, but because i suffer from autoimmune issues (hypothyroid-from removal of thyroid) and fibromyalgia– I am assuming I have a lot of inflammation. I plan to add a daily probiotic and curcumin to my current vitamins B-12 shot, b3, C, D3,calcium, co-q-10, alpha lipoic acid–is there something i should add to this mix? i am not taking any of the meds the docs suggest like Lyrica- cause i just feel like I can cure it myself.

  • Bill Pickersgill

    What the Dr. espouses is very dangerous to one’s health . The body’s main source of fuel is complex carbs [ grains] bread, not protein or fat .You do not want to be in a ketogenic state , it’s the opposite , ketosis means the blood Ph is acidic instead of the desired alkaline , and a host of health problems like gout , arthritis, clogged arteries. High fat leads to heart attacks , and high protein is hard on the kidneys , leeches calcium from the bones , makes the blood ph acid which is no good. The body is set up for grains [ bread] a scientific fact which the bible backs up Zech 9 : 17[ Niv ]bible . biblebill209@gmail.com

    • Trent

      You are clueless Billy Boy.

      • Bill Pickersgill

        How am I clueless the points I made are facts go check on them .

  • Bill Pickersgill

    It’s nuts to be on low carb for depression that will keep or put you into that state , the brain is primarily fueled by carbs not protein or fat , this is a scientific fact. it’s a fact the body’s main source of fuel is complex carbs [ bread ] and the bible backs this up Zech 9 : 17 Niv bible . Don’t listen to so called experts there is no truth out there today Isa 59 : 15 Niv bible as one of God’s great men predicted roughly 4000yrs ago for our time .

    • Trent

      Cut out the carbs, they are making you silly in the brain. Carb Fog Willy, that’s what I am going to call you.

      • Bill Pickersgill

        The brain is fueled by carbs , you need to consume some so you can think strait

        • Jerry NJ

          Bill Pickersgill, I’ve just skimmed this whole thread, and one common thing I see is you emphasizing that the brain is fueled by carbs. The brain is a heavy user of glucose. BUT the missing link – and the disconnect – in all of your conversations is that you DON’T HAVE TO EAT CARBS FOR THE BRAIN TO BE FUELED BY CARBS. We use fat for energy, right? Both the brain and muscles. So fat can be converted into the fuel/carbs that we need, including glucose. So stop with the “brain is fueled by carbs” thing. The stomach is not a direct pipe to the brain. There are many chemical processes between food entering the stomach and nutrients entering the brain, or the muscles.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Jerry , you are wrong if the brain is primarily fueled by carbs you’re deceiving yourself saying you don’t need them , common sense the body’s main source of fuel is complex carbs why can’t any of you understand this go check on it , a high protein , fat diet is no good, it leads to ketosis which you do not want to be in for very long , the body is set up for grains [ whole] see Zech 9 : 17 Niv bible . As crazy as this sound ‘s your all letting yourselves be deceived Rev 12 : 9 . Just because he was a Dr. means nothing , they learn nothing about nutrition in medical school , he’s wrong ,very wrong you will suffer if you eliminate or greatly reduce carbs , science say’s so. And you do not want to use fat as the main source of fuel there are exceptions to the rule unless you live in severe cold like the eskimos etc .

          • Valerie JM

            Bill, you did not comprehend a thing Jerry just said. The brain prefers glucose, since it’s the main energy source that is obtained from the blood. Yes, carbs are the primary energy source for your brain, however the brain also derives nutrition and energy from fatty acids, which provide fuel in the form of ketones.
            You’re constantly telling us to “go check this and that” How about you reference some scientific links that show what you’re spouting off to be true. And I mean recent data, not from 20 years ago.
            I saw you state in another post on this blog that you think the American diet is ketogenic. That absurd statement only proves that you know nothing about ketogenic eating. Do you even know what ketosis is?
            I truly believe that you are just an antagonist on here wanting to piss people off.

    • Jerry NJ

      God forbid, you just cited the Bible as a reference for nutrients??? It was written back when the average human lifespan was what, 40? Bread, a result of human agriculture and food processing, is not exactly a great model foodstuff.

  • Linda B

    No matter what combination of foods I eat, I cannot stay in ketosis AND get my RDA of vitamins and minerals. It is especially hard to get enough potassium, I have ataxia and peripheral neuropathy of unknown cause. Which is more important, staying in ketosis or getting my RDA of vitamins and minerals?

    • Lorelle Hatcher

      Hopefully you’ve already found an answer to this. But, unless you’re very tiny stature and eating very tiny amounts of food, it’s almost impossible to eat a good ketogenic diet and not get enough vitamins and minerals. What makes you think you aren’t getting enough vitamins and minerals?

  • Emese Dunai

    I have one of the rarest brain injuries leading to general dystonia(mainly feet) and parkinonism. Both sides of my brain’s putamen are completely gone and both sides of the external globus pallidus are completely gone. I am only 34…would you recommend a strict form of keto diet (under 40g carbs/day) or should i be higher to include more cabbage, kale,etc..for the coq10 and other nutrients?

  • Mike Johnson

    Is a Ketogenic diet safe for diabetics?

  • rbmindful

    Started a ketogenic diet two weeks ago. Body fat is melting away; have excellent energy; don’t struggle with hunger; workout results improved. Could go on and on with the positives. As an experiment I sampled some some refined carbs (high fructose syrup in some barbecue sauce) yesterday. Within minutes I broke out into a sweat, my stomach started churning and I felt like someone slipped me a mickey. Battled some carb cavings this morning but bounced back this afternoon. Don’t need any more convincing; refined carbs are poison.

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  • Vanessa B.

    Does anyone have any idea how a person who malabsorbs fat and protein (due to Short Bowel Syndrome from having most of my small intestine removed, and half my colon, due to Crohn’s disease 20 years ago) can successfully adapt to a ketogenic diet? I have been trying, but I am having up to 20 bouts of liquid diarrhea a day :/ I think due to all the fat. I had already been eating a modified Paleo diet, but my new nutritionist has also had me cut out all dairy, even fermented and even from grass-fed animals, all medium/high carb veg, and of course no grains/sugars. And replacing that with fat. I am losing weight, which I do not need to at 5’5″ and 113 when I started, now at 109 after 2 weeks, and I feel hungry and weak, and have sometimes cheated because of this. I really need to figure out how to feel better– the Crohn’s is in remission and I take no drugs for it, but still have severe digestive problems (likely due to all the missing intestine), plus major depressive disorder which I am on disability for, severe allergies and asthma, hypertension, and other autoimmune problems. There is not much reliable research on how to handle diet when you only have 4 feet of small intestine instead of 20, so I don’t know what to do. Thanks for any ideas and suggestions.

    • Karen Edscorn Board

      Pancreatic enzymes may help. Our son, who is on the Ketogenic Diet for Seizures also has IBD (which is actually helped by the Keto diet, since the grains and sugar can cause inflammation). Pancreatic enzymes help break the fats down into smaller molecules so they are more easily absorbed. His doctor prescribed pancreatic enzymes and also prescribed MCT oil, which is absorbed more easily and efficiently than other fats, and works wonders with maintaining ketosis. Also, we have to unfortunately avoid raw veggies — like salad greens — which is shame since they work so wonderfully on the diet. We also avoid most dairy except cheese. One thing that helped us is researching the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (for people with Crohns, etc.) and sort of blending that with the Keto diet.

  • monica

    had a slip and had some sugar (the really bad kind)…should i just continue to get back into ketiosis or have i screw’d up the whole process? i don’t think i was completely in yet. please advise

    • Karen Edscorn Board

      One thing we do if our son (on the Keto diet for seizures) eats something he shouldn’t is to try to (quickly) balance it with something high fat – like a tablespoon of olive oil or MCT oil or even mayo. (We keep a little container of mayo at his school for that purpose). Obviously, this won’t help you now, since a month has passed. For adults in the process of going into ketosis, it will probably mean you’ll just take a little longer to get there.

  • Max

    Bill for President! *giggles*

    Bill, i hope you are still around and will be commenting further!
    This is really good comedy, even more because you are really serious about keeping your eyes shut from reality and believing what you write here! 😀

    Keep on preaching Dude! 🙂 🙂

    (sorry if grammar is not perfect as english is not my main language)

    Greetings from a german 31 years old male, living the keto lifestyle for half a year now, getting leaner, building lean and clean muscle, beeing FULL of energy all day long, having constant energy trough every weight training i have, FEELING super healthy and my Bloodwork is perfect and all healthmarkers are absolutely trough the roof! My Doctor was asking me what pills or substances i am taking because of my athletic muclular look and the insanely good health markers 🙂

    I just had a grin on my face and said “Avocados my friend” 🙂

    This short story was just in hope to see more .. err.. useful comments 😀

  • Chuck Bauer

    Bill doesn’t know what he is talking about. In fact our bodies were not designed to consume the amount and types of carbohydrates readily available today. A low carbohydrate diet with higher “healthy” fat intake is what we were designed to eat. Processed wheat flour, even whole wheat, is horrible for us to eat and promotes inflammation which helps lead to organ dysfunction and heart disease. Bill – vegetables DO contain carbohydrates – complex ones! And as far as juice goes… sugar is sugar is sugar, doesn’t matter whether it’s sucrose, fructose or lactose… all are sugars. The brain cannot store glucose or ketones for energy and therefore needs a constant supply. In a low-carb diet the body burns fat for fuel thereby creating ketones for fuel for the cells in the body and the brain. It is well documented and scientific fact that the brain functions as well or better on ketones than other types of sugars. In fact spiking blood glucose levels causes a large release of insulin and when the there is not a sustained intake level of carbohydrates blood sugar drops, sometimes dangerously low. That’s why people get very sleepy after carbohydrate loading at lunch for example. It is not healthy for the brain to have severe drops in blood sugar. Eating a low carbohydrate diet evens out blood sugar levels and keeps a constant supply of fuel to the brain without severe spikes and drops. Dr. Atkins was right all along.

  • Trent

    Bill Pickersgill, you sir are an uninformed wingnut. You keep repeating the same nonsense over and over. YOU ARE WRONG. I truly believe that the over abundance of carbs in your diet is causing your repetitive nonsensical comments and bewildering behavior. Go have some more white bread ya yahoo.

  • Elli Fordyce

    I’ve never read comments here before. You guys are unbelievable. Don’t any of you have a life?

  • Bistyb

    Anyone who believes in sky fairies is obviously an idiot and not worth responding to. “God’s watchdog”???? LMFAO

  • Emmalee

    I have been a celiac for 24 years. I have cut back on a lot of carbs since the gluten-free version is way too high in carbs which can then lead to pre-diabetes, etc. – that includes bread, cereal, pasta, etc. Occasionally is fine and I can tweak if homemade.

  • dan carrow

    As of two weeks ago I’ve drop a lot of man made carbs from my life permanently. The only carbs I will be getting will be from green veggies, berries, melons,and nuts. As for meats I going to do fish, chicken, turkey,and some lamb. Beef will be once in a while, and pork not at all. Bake goods I can live without. Since dropping a lot the carbs my eyesight has slightly improve. This has been proven by my Eye doctor who just check my eyes two weeks ago.

  • dan carrow

    One more note since I dump the man made carbs I feel way more balance on all fronts.

  • Fascinated

    I’m fascinated by this discussion. I never knew the Bible had so much info on dieting, or doctors, or modern America.

  • Shirley Moore

    Hello shirley here a 55,year old …sutarted the Askin diet two weeks ago …suffered from ADD . my brain feels alive for the first. Time in my life …its almost like this intelligenent side is being reborn in me …

  • Shirley Moore

    For me its such a detox for my mind and body . one thing that has been a stark reality of me is what a sugar junky Ive been….its like coming of drugs…literally

  • Jacy

    Giving up carbs took away my depression. I strive to stay in ketosis just to keep depression at bay. All though I found that at http://getupandgetmoving she gave me lot’s of tips on low carbs but some good carbs I have brought back healthy carbs and I still feel wonderful just feel like I have no brain fog when eating the good carbs. I have heard that no carbs can cause some depression for some people for most I have talk to taking out the junk took away their depression all together. I love low carb diets because they keep the weight off and keep me healthy.

  • plants with peso

    I am not sure how you can get a minimum of 10% protein and with 5-10% carb calories left over get adequate fiber, folate, antioxidants and healthful phytochemicals. Supplementing with folic acid for folate is a big risk factor for breast cancer. How is this done?

  • Monica

    Probably best not to argue with the personality-disordered. Proverbs 26:4

  • Aurelia Boehm

    How about high triglyceride levels? Is Ketosis than still recommended? Is there anything special to be considered before starting to switch to Ketosis?

  • Guest

    Is havarti cheese harmful since you recommend high fat diet. I am eating a lot since I don’t like eggs

    • David Perlmutter

      I advocate in favor of smart consumption of cheese.

  • MJP

    I have been diagnosed with SFN. I’m a 58, male, long distance runner, do regular HIT / Crossfit type exercise. My SFN (Per UCSF) is Idiopathic. My journey started less than a year ago and I have been tested with all the array Cyrex testing. My PCP says my gut is a mess but there has conflicting test results? I have been fasting (only eating once a day) and ketosis is my goal. I just tested my urine today and it was “moderate”. Taking Gabapentin and Xanax at night to get to sleep and stay asleep. Are my efforts all for not? I have been a strict disciple for months now. Lost a lot of muscle but I’m not skin and bones by any means. A little desperate to get off my meds… Hate taking them…

  • Kim Holt

    I am a type 1 diabetic for 44 years…and I follow a ketogenic diet. My AIC is 6.4. does elevated sugar throw me out of ketosis, and at what level. I am trying to heal neurological problems from autonomic neuropathy. thanks

  • pedro lozano trujillo

    que efecto tiene esta dieta para la función renal, que riesgos tiene de hacerla una persona con problemas de riñon?

  • Potter

    I have a couple of questions if anyone sees this and has an answer for me. Thank you in advance. I was low carbing to the point of ketosis ( according to keto sticks) for 4.5 months last year. I was also cutting calories pretty low ( around 1000) since I was losing weight so slowly ( about a couple of pounds a month). I am very obese and SHOULD have lost weight fast, but NO diet will let me lose weight fast. My thyroid hormones test fine. Anyway, My doctor ran an anion gap test and said I was in ketoacidosis. I am not diabetic, don’t have metabolic syndrome, and can’t imagine how it was ketoacidosis. The doctor said it had to be from the diet, so I quit that day. What can cause me to go into ketoacidosis when low carbing it?

    Also, I lost weight once while doing a pure ketogenic diet a few years ago, although I did use the sugar alcohols foods. ( I unfortunately gained it all back immediately, despite NOT pigging out.) Last year when I did it and wasn’t losing I was using the sugar alcohols AND low carb wraps and breads. This year, I have decided to just low calorie it ( average 1400), and try to make it mostly healthy, whole foods. I have not been able to lose only three pounds in a month and a half. I am frustrated. I haven’t cheated at all on either diet. I log everything I eat into the My Fitness pal app, and know where hidden calories and carbs are.

    I tested positive a week and a half ago for gluten auto-antibodies and decided to cut gluten and still stick to the same calories. I might have lost 3-5 pounds ( the scales at the doctors office are different) in the last 10 days. BTW, I am not exercising during this time since I am recovering from foot surgery. I have felt better from avoiding gluten. Yesterday I began a ketogenic low carb diet and got only about 850 calories yesterday and 1300 today. According to the ketostick I am in strong ketosis already. I wasn’t eating a lot of carbs for the last month or so, so that might be why I’m there so quick.

    Anyway, my questions are this” Can gluten get in the way of weight loss while doing ketogenic diets”? And more importantly, “how could I have gone all the way to ketoacidosis last year? Could it be from cutting calories so low too”? If not that, HOW did I go into ketoacidosis? I want to be healthy and thin, but am now baffled.

    • Simon

      I’m not a doctor but if you are trying to maintain the ketogenic diet then there really shouldn’t be anything you are eating that has gluten in it. You should maintain the calorific ratio of 75% fat, 20% protein and 5% carbs ( note these are not weight % but calorific % I.e. You get four times the calories from fat than you do protein) To maintain this ratio and only intake 1000 calories you will be intermittent fasting. Eating once a day. Because you are fat adapted after three weeks you should not be physiologically hungry. You may be psychologically hungry which is far harder to combat sometimes. To maintain a less than 5% carb I recommend only eating half avocado, broccoli, kale, dark green salad like arugula for your carb requirements.
      You should stop taking sugar alcohols (they contain carbs) and ween yourself off anything sweet.
      Never eat low carb wraps/breads or anything with flour in it. Even too many almonds means too many carbs.
      Once you are truly fat adapted you can try a complete fast but maintain your electrolytes, salts and minerals and vitamins while doing so. I fasted for 9 days with no food and just water and vitamins. It really helped take me from one plateau to another. Two months ago I was 209lbs. I’m now 184 and enjoying the best Brain function I’ve ever experienced.

  • Jimmy NoChit

    I suspect our friend ‘Bill’ works for Monsanto or ConAg.

  • Brenda

    My sister was diagnoed with early Alzheimers 5 years ago. She is currently 64. She has overall poor health. I am familiar with the benefits of high fat and lower carbs. She finds the ketogenic state better for her brain – however, she is getting very keyed-in to her blood sugar levels as a measure for ketosis. My concern is her current weight is 95 lbs (5’2″ – fully clothed and with shoes/boots. Her docturs all wish her to gain weight. Everytime she has a blood draw or infusion of some kind – they have trouble. She is always dehydrated and they keep saying “very frail”, due to being underweight. Can someone give me advice? Is the blood sugar relevant – she is trying to drive it down.
    Brenda

  • Mary

    Can people who have had their gallbladder removed still eat a HFLC life style?
    What does the loss of the gallbladder have on the body? Particularly the liver.

  • Vijay Viswanathan

    We are following ketogenic diet for past 3 months. one of my friend confused us that putting a person at ketogenic diet for a life time will lead to many health problems and our organs will become weak. Moreover my wife survives with a single kidney. Is that lead to any complications since kidney has to work hard with ketones compared to regular diet.

    • Bill Pickersgill

      Vijay , your friend is” very” right , Ketogenic is terrible, it is very hard on the kidneys’ because it’s a high protein diet, which is hard on the kidney’s .
      Go google body’s main source of fuel, see for yourself , don’t blindly listen to what this Dr . is saying, he’s wrong .

  • Alex McMahon

    Ebjoyed your interview on the Power Athlete podcast Dr. Perlmutter!

    • David Perlmutter

      Thanks for listening Alex!

  • Annie MB

    HERE, I sit, after being on a “true” healthful Ketogenic diet for over a year after reading Grain Brain and other Perlmutter books, having lost 60 lbs during, having ALL A1Cs normal 4.8 to 5.1, with ALL PN gone away entirely, then I decided to test the perfection of the complex carbs “theory of Bill’s” thereby eating nothing refined or processed or fast foods, eating only brown rice and other whole grains, pulses and legumes, vegs and fruits, inotherwords, a very clean “Bill” diet for 2 months straight, forcing myself into believing complex carbs was the way to health. 3 hours after eating 1/2 cup brown rice, 1/2 cup of pinto beans, also known as “Bill’s” complex carbs, my BS is 135, PN is darned near killing my legs and I’m about to go absolutely nuts. I have been on the “complex carbs” diet for 2 months, and starting tomorrow, I will be going right back onto Ketogenic to get rid of this constant PN pain. Prior to going on “Bill’s” God’s diet, my BS were 75-85 at all times of day whether having just eaten or not.

    After I have completed this 2 month experiment of the “Bill’s Perfect Human Diet” as of this evening, I know what the perfect diet is for me. “Ketogenic” and all the research tells me that this is true, not only for me, but for thousands upon thousands of pre and full on diabetics who are fooled by the ADA into believing the lies of the “complex carb” myths. As an added insult, I purchased expensive “Einkorn Wheat” and baked my own bread.

    I call BS on Bill. The proof is in the experiment that I did for myself of both diets and kept journals on how I felt daily, what BS’s were on each diet, as well as monthly blood lab results. And yes, I ate perfect complex carb diet with early scheduled meals for 2 months. I did not waver and eat sugar, sodas or other crap or junk foods on either diet, NO, not even once because I wanted real experiment and real results. It was the same on the Ketogenic diet, I did not waver because if you do eat higher carbs or waffle back and forth then you can really cause health concerns. I can be quite regimented in diet when I need to be. Of course I experimented. Of course I was under my MDs care and I was her private experiment for the research she has been studying and I agreed to precisely follow the 2 diets for the length of time that I did. The results speak for themselves.

    Besides, I really do miss the daily PB Cup (or other) Keto Fat Bombs. They are the bomb.

    • Bill Pickersgill

      Annie my way is science go check on it , not a theory . Carbs have many important functions check on an article by” Eileen Lane” about carbs .
      MD’s are disasterous they no nothing about nutrition . They will ruin you . Look this is simple, the American diet isn’t whole grains fruit/ veg, fish and chicken , are you kidding , but refined carbs and lots of meats [ pork, lunch meats , red meat ] look at the results , your all wrong . And you will suffer if you stay in Ketosis for very long.
      Dr.’s aren’t God, I know it’s hard to believe, but it’s true , their badly mistaken and misleading you people .
      And if you do believe in God then you should be going by the bible which warns us about Dr.’s Mk 5 : 26[ Niv] bible and how important carbs [ grains] are Zech 9 : 17[ Niv] bible .

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  • Simon

    I would have liked to join the discussion but having read through the last few years of comments, seen the religious and idiotic drivel that Bill Pickersgill fanatically adhered to without listening to anyone’s POV, I can’t believe the moderator hasn’t removed him from the conversation. And so for that fact and because i didn’t want this stupid stupid man making me angrier by potentially responding to my comments I decided not to join in!

    • Bill Pickersgill

      Simon , I don’t care what these Dr.’s are saying it’s nut’s . Go google body’s main source of fuel and tell me what it say’s . Get your head out of Dr.’s behinds , their not God . This is so simple if you study into it . Go google carbs see what it says, do they have very important functions , see Eileen lane on carbs . The only one stupid is you for blindly accepting what these foolish Dr.’s are telling all of you in spite of science . Google it, wake up . Go smell your breath, it’s a simple test does it smell acidy , no good .
      Why should I be removed, I’m the one talking sense not out of conjured up nonsense of what prehistoric man ate .

      • Simon

        Bill. You are a fanatic nutter with no life and a poor understanding of English grammar. Their instead of They’re… Study into it? … Say’s (belonging to say or say is? Neither of which makes sense)… Smell acidy? Acidic you complete moron.
        I read this discussion just to see what you are going to write and over the last several years you have written the exact same thing, and each time you do it makes you more pathetic, risible and sad. I pity the mother that bore you or maybe because of her abuse you are the way you are. Stop calling people dumb and go find another topic to be wrong about.
        Your point of “Go google carbs they have an important function” doesn’t hold water when people who have become fat adapted don’t need carbs anymore.
        Perhaps this will help. I’m a car and I use unleaded gas as my fuel source but I’m not getting the mileage I want. So I change my engine and fuel system to take diesel and I get the mileage I am looking for but putting the unleaded into my new improved fuel system would break it. So even though most people must use unleaded in their cars I don’t because I don’t have to. The same goes for carbs.

        • Bill Pickersgill

          The car analogy doesn’t make any sense , you can’t change the way your body’s set up like a car engine , hello. You mean you still think Dr. ‘s are God, you fool , wake up .
          You will suffer , the points I make are fact’s your deceived, Ketosis is terrible . The blood Ph needs to be alkaline not acidic which is what Ketosis is pure and simple .
          Show me were I’m wrong . Sure you will lose weight on a Ketosis diet but it will cause you all kinds of health problems like gout , kidney problems , arthritis etc .
          Unbelievable you’re a car the analogy is mindless .
          Again, smell your breath, does it smell acidic ?. Common sense will tell you that is not good .

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  • wendy

    Bill with all do respect. You can see from the evidence before you that there is much merit in the results of a low carb no gluten no sugar intake. My experience is similar to many = as the saying goes the proof is in the pudding,,,,,my husband had heart surgery just a matter of months ago. He LIVED off what we felt were healthy carbs as he is a marathoner. He ate a very balanced diet for an ATHLETE but ended up with borderline type 2 diabetis and 98 percent blockage in his WIDOW MAKER which could have been deadly, He and I both have been following Doctor Perlmutters lifestyle and both of our health has done a complete turn around to the point that his GP and CARDIOLOGIST has shaken his hand and said – WELL DONE!!! Keep it up its turning the numbers in the right direction. He was not over weight but within weeks dropped 15 pounds and his blood sugars are way normal. Blood pressure has decreased tremendously and his bad cholesterol has returned to normal There is something here. This week he will be able to drop many of his meds. THE PROOF is in peoples lives. Its old thinking that each of us have been victims led to believe that carbs are necessary. There are good carbs in whole fresh foods. My husband is back running and is fueled by GOOD HEALTHY fats. I can tell you what has not worked and its in our society of obesity and heart disease and diabetis etc. LOW FAT HIGH CARB has not turned things around. It has made people sicker than sick. That’s a fact. The proof is in the lives of people living it. If there are results Bill you cant argue with that. This isn’t weight loss gimmick this is honest people with real health problems corrected with a healthy lifestyle of healthy whole foods and healthy fats and nothing from a box period, How can you argue with that. Plus as a Christian you keep throwing out scripture but I might just add your language needs a clean up sir. You cant talk from both side of your mouth and be a good witness atall.

    • Bill Pickersgill

      Wendy, people in our country are not eating whole grains and fruits/ veg are you kidding ?. There eating refined carbs [ white bread] pastries , candy, doughnuts , pop , cakes all full of sugar . The above is what gives you sugar diabetes not whole grains , fruit / veg . And as for a high protein, fat , low carb way, sure you can drop weight but it will ruin your health . It’s not old thinking, it’s a fact, right now, the year 2016 the body needs carbs for it’s main source of fuel . Go google it, how hard is this . Carbs are in the grain[ bread] group mainly, not meats . Your husband was eating all wrong he had to be to have heart problems . A high fat [ meats] will clog your arteries , and high protein is hard on the kidneys . The American diet is high fat , protein [ red meat , pork , lunch meats ], along with lots of refined carbs, not” complex” carbs, fruit/ veg.
      Their’s 3 types of fats [ mono, poly , saturated] all are good . The only bad fats are trans , and hydrogenated [ deep fried] . But you do” not” want a lot of saturated fat from meats [ pork , red meat ].
      Look for about the last 15yrs everyone has believed carbs are bad , eat the fish but not the bun and look at the results .
      It’s a basic principle you must eat carbs with protein or you go into ketosis an[ acidic blood Ph] which will cause you all kinds of health problems.
      What your doing will ruin you and your husbands health . Quit worshipping Dr.’s there not God .

  • Bernie

    OMG people, Bill is toying with us. I guess it’s fun tossing the ball around, lol. Otherwise interesting discussion, thanks.

  • Bernie

    The only explanation is Bill is Type 1, taking too much insulin, not insulin resistant, thinks everyone is the same and that veggies/fruits are not carbs:)

  • indigobluz

    Has this Bill Pickersgill character ever provided any actual links to where he’s getting this erroneous information from? Relying on ‘google’ is as accurate as a magic 8 ball!!

    • Valerie JM

      Well I read this blog for about an hour, and he never cited one link on “his facts”. Anyone who believes as Bill does, that the standard American diet is ketogenic is completely dillusional.

  • Guest

    We Americans tend to eat vegetables as a side dish. They should comprise at least one half of our plate and be the main focus of our meals. Good fats like 100 percent organic cold pressed olive oil and coconut oil should be abundant. We ingest way too much protein and this should constitute no more than a quarter of our plate and if we eat 2 or 3 meals a day, even less. See guidelines on internet for suggested daily protein intake. The rest of the plate, the last quarter, should be healthy carbs like sweet potato or quinoa, brown rice, though if you are serious about losing those last 10 pounds the carbs should be eliminated altogether for awhile. There is enough carbohydrate in the vegetables to keep you going. Fruits can be consumed in small amounts. A half of a small apple at a time, a few grapes.. A tangerine or a quarter of a grapefruit in one sitting. Fruits are loaded with flavonoid antioxidants, vitamins, minerals and fiber but they are also loaded with sugar. Almonds are great as are many nuts and seeds. If you want to lose weight watch and are eating calorie laden nuts like cashews, watch your portion sizes. Cut out all processed foods, preservatives, sugar. Avoid wheat and possibly dairy for some, and absolutely eat organic! This would probably be the ideal diet for the body to avoid disease and to lose weight. I was very ill some years ago and followed this plan. I lost 20 pounds in 3 months ( a little too quickly but I was not exercising and my portions were very small because I was very ill so would not recommend losing weight at this pace as you lose a lot of muscle) and I eventually healed myself and avoided steroids and oh so many drugs they wanted to prescribe for me. It’s not so hard to do because once you begin on this plan you stop craving carbs and sugar and your appetite diminishes. And you will find that you start to think more clearly as you no longer have blood sugar swings if you have suffered from them before. That is my experience and I hope that this is helpful to others.

  • Jose

    How can you manage the bad breath commonly inherent with a low-carb diet?

  • Pam Schmidbauer

    have there been long term studies on the effects of the keto diet. I gather it is a acidic way of eating, and when the body is too acidic it is a landing place for many diseases including cancer. I don’t want to feel better, get my diabetes under control, and then to get cancer.

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  • Emily

    I’d be interested to know the affects of keto along with taking anti seizure medications. I have Atypical Trigeminal Neuralgia , anti seizure meds is what is used to treat the condition and the pain it causes, and I must take my Rx for pain management. I’ve lost weight easy and fast in the past (before I had this condition) eating low carb and staying in Keto. Since starting this med, I’ve not been able to lose a single pound eating low carb. No matter how hard I restrict carbs and sugar. I know it is the Rx. Any thoughts?

  • DJ West

    I started doing the ketogenic diet on Monday, and today I felt like i was anxious, having hot flashes, sweating, nervousness. Come to find out my blood sugar dropped, so i drank a big Gatorade and had some crackers and i felt like my normal self. Is there something that I am not doing right? I was thinking I am not eating enough carbs. I’m 6’2 265lbs i think I’ve only eaten maybe 20 -30 carbs each day. Any advice?

  • coach4cause

    Please guide me as to if it is worth the cost to add a ketone product new on the market to assist in staying in ketosis

    • Valerie JM

      You don’t need to buy any ketone product. If you’re eating LCHF and not cheating, then you are in ketosis.

  • Debbie

    I’ve just started the ketogenic diet and due to working out of town with others, I had a lunch today that was NOT keto. How do I handle getting back on the wagon? Fast the rest of the day? Have nothing but fat calories the rest of the day? I know this will happen from time to time and I want to know the best way to address it.

    • David Perlmutter

      It’s not as simple as flipping a switch Debbie, but it’s a matter of just making the right choices following that. Fasting isn’t a bad idea, but just be sure to start eating the right way again as soon as possible.

      • Debbie

        Thanks David. I opted for a low calorie (500 cal) day of mostly veggies to “jump-start” my getting back to making right choices.

  • Anita Smith

    I’m going from a 7 day water fast into a keto diet. The suggestion for breaking the water fast is to begin with fruit juices then fruit. I assume this will cause to get out of ketosis. Am I right? If I am right, can I have some suggestions for foods to transition my body out of the fast into my keto diet?

  • Arijit Rahut

    IMHO, Ferment food + Keto diet is one of the best combinations.
    After reading Brain Maker, I have started having Kefir and since few weeks I am on Keto diet.
    The challenge which I have is. How much carbs does Kefir contain. There is no good article on the net with precise nutritional (carb content) info.
    Since keto diet has a very low threshold for carbs, kefir can kick you out of ketosis.

  • HSarian

    I recently read that a new study has come out stating that brain tumors were fueled by fat, unlike most cancer which is fueled by sugars/glucose/fructose/etc…does anyone know about this & what does that mean for a high fat diet? Many thanks…

  • Bill Pickersgill

    Greetings , did anyone check out the very” brand new” study of the benefits of “whole” grains which are” complex” carbs , hello. Busted!!! . You are all following each other over the cliff and I keep trying to open your eyes to it but no one’s listening . Reminds me of Matt 7 : 13 [ Niv] bible .

    • Rosie

      Cant check without citations…… amaze us, just once…..

  • MisterAnthony

    How does alcohol consumption affect ketosis and blood sugar?

  • Deepinder Singh

    will ketosis not lead to acidosis??
    or low magnesium??
    or any other side effect??

  • Dawn

    I started on the Atkins diet a few years ago with great success, sadly on the advice of my GP I stopped after being diagnosed with hypothyroidism. I now see an endocrinologist who gave me the “ok” to start a low carb diet..again. That being said, I’ve gained some and was recently diagnosed with homocysteinemia. While my doc gave me the go ahead, I’m a bit apprehensive as I’ve not found anything about my recent dx and a low carb diet. Anyone else here familiar with homocysteinemia and a low carb diet?

  • Daria Piotrowska

    Great article, thank you. I can say keto diet gave the great results, i have heard about only good results after kethosis diet. Here you are more facts http://ketodietbeforeafter.com/

  • Sherrie

    The statement was made to jump start ketosis do a quick fast can some one be more specific. Duration of fast and consume what? Water?

  • Dez

    Is the Keto diet safe to maintain indefinitely?

  • Gerardo Hernandez

    It’s difficult to maintain a ketogenic lifestyle when you eat a fair share of vegetables. hopefully the MCT oil can offset the 9+ servings of leafy green vegetables and seeds I’m eating. It can get me to 100 grams of carbs, 70 from fiber. Is eating high fiber going to inhibit beta oxidation?

  • Tonibones

    I can do a low carb diet quite easily – apart from the alcohol restriction.
    My main question is, how can I sustain a ketogenic program when I can’t manage
    too much fat. I had my gall bladder removed 30 years ago. After one high fat meal at a friends’
    dinner party I became so ill the next day that I had to go to emergency. I had elevated liver and pancreatic enzymes. I later had an ultrasound and minor surgery to widen my bile duct. All the women in my mothers’ side of the family have had gall bladder problems.
    Any suggestions?

  • Karen Kinnard

    After looking for my ancestors, I have completed the 23andME DNA test. A strange Wellness report came up that stated “People with your genetic result tend to have a similar BMI on diets with greater or less than 22 grams of saturated fat per day, as long as they consume the same number of total calories.” The report of course wants you to lower the saturated fat to prevent heart disease. My question is with a certain amount of daily calories that is calculated for fat loss, and lets say 75-80% fat in the Macros, will I still lose body fat. The genetic report is confusing and disheartening for me to get the remaining 55lbs off my body.

    • Karen Kinnard

      Also I have kicked all breads, sugar, anything from below the ground, and all processed foods back in April. I just ate meat and a few vegetables plus strawberries and apples. I lost 30lbs in two months then stalled. I tried another diet that is HCG and only have lost 16lbs. I do not like the limitations of that protocol and want my Keto type diet back again. But this report is discouraging. I will say this, I felt so much better off all the processed carbs to where I no longer woke up during the night unable to breath due to my nostrils would clog up, my eyes would be watering, feeling tired, no energy. I could wake up between 5-6am and feel great and alert. I’m retired there is no reason to get up that early…

  • C Clark

    When I first heard about LCHF and the keto diet, I decided to simply add more meat and butter to what I was already eating this week until I ran out of high-carb groceries but I lost 15 lbs this week. And while I wasn’t eating as much as I used to, I still ate toast with my breakfast, put sugar in my coffee, I’ve eaten a little ice cream everyday and had a couple of roast beef sandwiches with the evil bread and “bad” mayo. I wasn’t NEARLY as hungry as usual, during this past week, but as long as I ate a lot of meat, it didn’t seem to matter what I ate, otherwise. And I’ve lost 15 lbs. In a week. 1 week. ONE week. I’m shocked! After steadily gaining a little at a time for over 2 years, I’ve lost 15 lbs by eating SAUSAGE! Sausage and beef and lots of butter on my toast!!

    Granted, I am quickly losing my appetite for ice cream and will probably end up throwing out the last of the bread, some waffles I froze ( I LOVED waffles) and some breaded chicken breast medallions that I loved but that now just sound gross but who cares?!?! 15 LBS!! I didn’t have to do anything but eat more of the stuff I REALLY wanted – sausage, butter, beef and cheese although I am losing my appetite for cheese, as well…anyway, 15 LBS!! And I’m pretty sure I was nowhere NEAR ketosis!!

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  • BARBARA TINDAL

    Good article, Thanks!

    • David Perlmutter

      Thanks for reading!

  • David X Singer

    I am very sorry for David’s version of the keogenic diet. It might be great for losing diet and killing cancer but its is not designed to be a permanent diet at 90% fat from calories. There is nothing wrong with vegs carbos, sweet potatoes and some berries. There is also nothing wrong with some carbos. I think loing term its a good idea to be around 70% Fat, 20% carbos and 15% carbos.

  • KT

    I just started this plan for seizure control. (Losing weight is secondary). Does one need to stay on this diet forever or will the brain correct itself permanently to prevent seizures?

  • Bill Pickersgill

    Grains are the” staff of life” we are set up for whole grains . Interestingly, the bible backs it up Zech 9 : 17 Niv bible . They are complex carb, which is the body’s main source of fuel , not protein or fat . How could something whole be bad it’s whooooooooole . Dr.’s no nothing about nutrition their terrible quit listening to whatever they say . They will ruin you Mk 5 : 26 [ Niv] bible . Check out my site[ foundation of nutrition the bible] . Google it .

  • Frederick von Rönge

    That is not what ketones are. If you are a doctor you are a stupid one.

    • Bill Pickersgill

      Ketones are a by – product of fats being broken down for energy instead of the much preferred carbs for glucose . I’m not a Dr. but there are a lot of misguided one’s when it comes to nutrition for sure .

      • Frederick von Rönge

        I don’t know who you are Billy boy, or why you’ve taken this tread as your life’s mission. I don’t see the appeal of arguing with strangers on the internet, frankly.
        In my comment I was, of course, responding to the article, which says:”Ketones are a special type of fat that can stimulate the pathways that enhance the growth of new neural networks in the brain”

        • Bill Pickersgill

          Frederick, your kidding , it’s the internet . What I’m doing and what I do is try to warn people that what they are believing will ruin them if they follow it Hos 4 : 6 Niv bible , like ketosis . Even if I save or help one person on this site see that what is being passed of is wrong understanding then so be it . It’s what God wants me to do .
          What, no one’s allowed to disagree , you can’t be serious . This reminds me of 1 Cor 11 : 19 [Niv] bible . Isn’t everyone a stranger on the site so to speak ?
          As for Ketones helping depression etc I guess , but it causes other serious health problems because it makes the blood Ph acidic which leads to kidney problems , gout etc .

          • Frederick von Rönge

            God doesn’t exist Billy. Quote me some Mark Twain, but you can shove that Bible twaddle where the sun don’t shine.

          • Bill Pickersgill

            Psalm 14 : 1 [Niv] bible .

  • Daniel J. Galovan

    Great little article! But I have one thing I’m wondering about… You mention that a high fat, low carb (ketogenic) diet is good for “the growth of new neural networks in the brain.”
    But neuroscientist Sandrine Thuret says that a diet rich in Saturated Fat’s Inhibits the growth of new neurones… Im a bit confused… Maybe the saturated fats effect neurogenesis negatively when combined with a high carb diet? What do you think? (look at 7:33 in the Ted Talk to see the picture)
    https://www.ted.com/talks/sandrine_thuret_you_can_grow_new_brain_cells_here_s_how

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  • Mary

    I’ve been taking the pre-biotic fiber product that Dr. Perlmutter developed with the Garden of Life supplement company, in an effort to increase the numbers of good bacteria in my gut, so that they in turn can crowd out the candida in my gut. Although I believe that the pre-biotic fiber has helped in this effort, I am still considering possibly ingesting castor oil to also help rid my gut of candida. I was wondering if Dr. Perlmutter would ever recommend castor oil for this purpose. I am not sure if castor oil would also adversely effect the good bacteria, since it is antimicrobial. I wouldn’t want to take it if it’s going to effect the good bacteria.

    • biblebill

      Mary , it’s way better to eat yogurt made from “whole” milk than take a pro- biotic. The body absorbs nutrients from pills poorly .

    • Sarah Gartin

      Email me, I can help you ketone.mama@gmail.com

  • AnnieLaurie Burke

    Is there a relatively easy, non-invasive way to know if one is in ketosis? It seems different people require different levels of carbohydrate restriction to achieve ketosis. Is there a guideline to know when you are “in the zone”?

  • biblebill

    Annie , you can tell by your urine is it clear or yellowish , and by your breath does it smell acidic. Ketosis is terrible, you have to eat carbs with protein to keep from going into Ketosis and a host of health problems like gout ,arthritis ,kidney problems etc . It’s whole grains, fruit/ veg as the basis of eating, we are meant to live of the land which science shows as well as the bible[ Gen 3 : 19] [Niv] bible we are made from the elements of the ground .

  • AnnieLaurie Burke

    I look forward to Dr. P’s segment on the Food Revolution Summit this week (May 2017). Not to be negative, or be the wet blanket, I have to say I am disappointed in some of the FRS presentations so far — still pushing the “low fat good, saturated fat bad, animal fat really bad, vegan really good” memes. Some presenters were still claiming that there is “science” behind these memes. This, in site of the demonstrated positive effects of a keto diet on supposedly incurable conditions like Alzheimers and even intransigent cancers like glioblastoma. Not quite the cutting-edge, latest info I expected….

  • hopeforaunitedcountry

    All of this information regarding a Keto diet is very interesting. I have just started under the supervision of my CrossFit coach and have seen a few results. Background: I have had debilitating depression and anxiety since I was a child (I am now 58), I am on many meds and have tried weaning off, etc. How will I know that my depression is abated if I am already on meds that keep me moderately content? I am a bit worried about trying to wean again. Thoughts?

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